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| Topic Started: May 1 2008, 07:58 PM (3,711 Views) | |
| PiebaldMidas | May 1 2008, 07:58 PM Post #1 |
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OK guys, you start with a GM. 2 special GM were mated and made KML until around 2004 when the female died and thus this strain ended. Now we have SML, which per Sonny is a GM. Does this mean that all SML come from GM parents or was a new fish added? If a new fish was added, how can it still be a GM subclass? Will an SML and SML make a fry of SML? Will a GM and SML make GM or SML? (like Vanz has) Just trying to figure this out, I always thought that SML was a GM and ZZ type of fish, but after more reading I do not think that is correct. Anyone interested in responding, fire away and let the beatings begin javascript:emoticon('beating%20with%20a%20club') Ed |
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| Paintsn | May 2 2008, 12:03 AM Post #2 |
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hmmm thinkingscratchingchin 21 views and no replies... guess ill step up to the plate.. well first off, im not no expert on it.. i read and learn here and there and from dealers and breeders alike.. also from old hard core hobbyist.. the name thingy is very confusing at times.. and to a newbie..it could get overwhelming and be a turn off.. but like you bro.. it is a good thing to ask and learn, we need more like that.. for that is how we will learn... but ..for some wouldnt care or dont choose to believe..as which is their own liking and plus not to cause any conflict..which has arrised in the past in every forums..its a dilema.. but with proper teaching, and correct data with open mind and ears listening and apprehending with comprehension.. i say we all could better this out.. well.. lets start with GM.. i dont know what is the genetic coding... eventhough some stated they do and others wont let it out.. but as from i learn from the earlier FH enthusiast.. even as the trade is kept a secret, making a GM isnt a piece of cake.. i heard there are more than just mixing a fish together..but one thing that made up a GM is that they state by the Malaysian FH Society is that GM has no ZZ blood.. i dont know that is what ive been told.. but more over i think they do carry Kamfa and Texas blood smiliee, for some of the earlier GM were kamfa looking.. just like the word GOLDEN FLOWERS which means JIN HUA= Kamfa and thus GM shows the characteristic of the golden colors and looks that is half of Kamfas.. i will stop there.. on the coding Golden Monkey is also called KAMALAU the word is from the Cantonese dialect. Kam = gold & Malau = monkey.....= golden monkey. Kamalau is a Cantonese term which is the same as GM. In Malaysia, Singapore & Indonesia, this term is commonly use among hobbyists. in south east asia region country like mal, spore, indo & thai, they got lots of dialects and got pronounced differently and also the english words were presented differently too. about the kamalau you state is extinct.. I'm pretty sure it is referring to Thailand GM, and surrounding countries.. that's why to me.. it is best to label thai GM's as ThaiMalau or Thai GM for as some of their fish are getting closer to Malaysian GM's.. while also some are having their own great traits.. they still have ZZ blood SML.. this does not mean Sonny Malau.. as some have mistaken.. what it really means is Son= New and ML is Malau.. it is a New strain of GM why is it new.. its basically a Malaysian Male GM x another's GM breeder's Female GM. As what i found out and was told.. GM breeds True.. i think that is why they are their own strain. and about some sml or gm looking like ZZ.. just like some kamfas having red eyes and no fan tail with long bodies.. its the genetics or low grade fish.. just like some ZZ looking like trimac which are basically low grades in the FH world thumbs up but last but not least..I wouldnt care much about the names.. I rather go with the basic type of strains we got.. GM, ZZ, JK, Kamfa and RT or plainly HYBRIDS for if it walks, and talk like a duck, then maybe it is a duck, no matter what they say smiliee laughin rollin well i hope i shed some lights and also if i am incorrect or any to add.. please do.. For as in Piebald.. I too would like to learn its a beautiful thing |
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| Jett | May 2 2008, 12:10 AM Post #3 |
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Can a newbie try to answer? hehehe 1. Does this mean that all SML come from GM parents or was a new fish added? - Two GM's will not make you a GM. I don't want to expound on this but GM are not like ZZ's that when you ZZ x ZZ the fry will be a ZZ. 2. If a new fish was added, how can it still be a GM subclass? Will an SML and SML make a fry of SML? - This has been done that is why you have KFML and ZZML. 3. Will a GM and SML make GM or SML? - This one I don't know. Sonny would know. Hope this would help |
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| Flowerhornrus | May 2 2008, 12:20 AM Post #4 |
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great answers!! i mean questions smiliee you speak of the Great Old Wised Ones.. never telling answers but adding more questions laughin rollin i remember.. sonny stating that a GM x GM = GM or was he saying do it and find out.. just like how you answered ..hmm but i also remember that one of the old hobbyist that states he knows the coding for GM states that breeding two GM does not necessarily make a GM.. but could I'd say if a SML x GM, i think it would be better classed as a SML.. for in a way if SML are classed as GM then SML x GM is like another F5 of it??? i dont know smiliee but.. one thing... who could call a fish a GM?? i'm lost and what is a GM??? duh |
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| NiceFishHomie | May 2 2008, 02:22 AM Post #5 |
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you work with what is the known to figure out what came from these sml we see that sml faded like some members are lucky enough to obtained these pieces. we also see my sml has long whisker fins like zz traits now you tell me if gm can fade or gm can have zz traits. well just take a good look at chrisdong's mp faded king gm that he bought for $800 in the recent group buy. Gm can fade indeed. Now where do you get an additional add in to get these fading genes? A red fish perhaps? Parrot is red fish right? Midas or red devil? If Gm has kamfa traits then Gm carry these fading genes coming from these kamfa lines. Gm do have funk dots on them like zz too. They have to have some zz in them to be classify as a fh right? You just can't make a fh without having the forefather as a zz right? How to make a gm? Well you start with a zz then you keep on breeding it to fertile kamfa or red fish and if you continue this process, you will wipe out all the zz in such a fish. With zz in them, they are now classified under the flowerhorn category but what is the majority of the gene that makes them a gm that looks so much like kamfa? Yep...1% zz and the rest kamfa. Sml then is a gm cross with a red fish or a fading kamfa that has less zz in them. If my sml looks like zz then it is a low grade sml. Well even low grade sml sure looks pretty though thus why these sml or gm are said to breed true because most of the batch are keepers. Even a 1 dot fish with the body of a gm will make it look nice. Have an arnold swastanegga body and put the face of the pope on it and that fish can still enter a body building contest. These are just my speculation and funny talk without any backbone. LOL |
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| Bigg Dogg | May 2 2008, 02:50 AM Post #6 |
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Excellent question Bro. Ed bravo Would love to jump in this, but most been said already. smiliee With so many new strain now a days we can hardly tell which is which..There's high grade zz that looks more and more like GM and also there's low grade GM that looked ZZ...now with that in mind how could we compare the two thinkingscratchingchin Here's the thing, What supperate GM from ZZ? smiliee Lets see! GM & ZZ ___ ___ Character - same or different? Face - same or different? Mouth - same or different? Body - same or different? Fins - same or different? Tail & Tail bone - same or different? Colour - same or different? Find the difference between the two and you shall know the answer...GM, KML, SML eaither way they call it, It's still the same meaning..GOLDEN So what's use to make Golden Monkey i dont know duh 2 duh , but one thing I do know. Each strain got it's own character...no two fish are alike...The name's will give you an idea of what strain they are, but the character tells it all. We may never know what they use to make GM, but I do know why GM's different from the rest. smiliee The name said it all...you should check out the character between the 2. smiliee BTW even low grade GM have different character from ZZ although they might look the same. SML in my opinion it looked ZZ, but with GM characters...back to the top question? Compare the SML with ZZ...now the appearance looks the same, but what about the rest?? Now to answer you question Does this mean that all SML come from GM parents or was a new fish added? I believed SML came from GM bloodline thumbs up and the only reason they looked ZZ is because of the quality and grade. cheers  Looked what time it is, getting late...I'll just leave the answer to the MASTERS. thumbs up good luck Regards, Kevin |
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| Sonny | May 2 2008, 04:44 AM Post #7 |
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wow...that is some questions & answers! sorry guys for i've been busy lately and will surely get back to you on the above later. so at the time being...keep brain storming..... its all good |
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| Lucky | May 2 2008, 12:51 PM Post #8 |
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Although both ZZ & GM have trimac... ZZ= more Trimac GM= more Festae Hope that helps... maybe I should show how the pure species traits affect GM? This discussion has gone on for a long time and it can get heated. I will share some input if people stay civil! haha! Anyhow GM has gone through much evolution. its a beautiful thing |
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| PiebaldMidas | May 2 2008, 05:38 PM Post #9 |
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THE GM BLACKBOARD GM, The Early Years The powerful Louhan (LH) was created by combining four different cichlids. These were mainly the Midas, Vieja Synspillum, KKP, and the green gold tiger (Trimac). The next step in this process was the LH X other cichlids to give us the Hualouhan (HLH) and Hwakok (HK) strains. The Hwakok strain also called the Fuakok strain was catagorized underneath the Hualouhan strain. GM, ZZ, and Kamfa all come from the powerful Louhan. So, it is not surprising that you can see similiar characteristics in all three srains. The fore fathers of the Malaysian GM are the Hwakok strain created by Mr. LC. ZZ's do not come from the Hwakok strain. The GM line was never mixed with an Eng Kor. The GM line goes beyond Lam Seah. Lam Seah got his GM pair from another breeder that bred the Hwakok strain ( ? his name). He had nice fry from his fish that he named Golden Monkey. So he is the breeder for GM but NOT the creator. To this day, Lam Seah is still trying to breed GM but can not. This is because the HK that breed his Golden Monkey fry were not created by him. Mr. Yap was the marketing partner of Lam Seah back then. Apparently their is controversy surrounding the original GM. Some people feel the original line has ended and what we have now is an offshoot. Some people feel that A-1 Aquarium ( Mr. Ah Soon ) purchased all the GM fry. However, this is not true, and the GM of today are descendents of the original Golden Monkeys. Here are some photos of the original GM       THE GENETIC SOUP The Hwakok strain fish are the forefathers of the Malaysian Golden Monkey. Here are some pictures and their contribution to the Golden Monkey. These are followed by some pure species fish that share characteristics with the Golden Monkey. Coronation Link (Red)   Perfect Harmony (Body, Fins, and Tail)   Tornado Effect (Pearls)  [IMG] Unique Track (Flowers, Colors, and Mouth)    Per bro Lucky's input: Notice the similarities in the GM and Trimac, meaning that the Trimac must be in the genetic soup of the GM. Notice the red eyes with the black edging, same anal fin shape, the flowers, same type of tail, the pink chest, the nuchal hump, and the golden base. Amphilophus Festae   Per bro Lucky's input: Notice the traits that Festae share with GM's. The red lips, the thick tail bone, and the uniform grouping of pearls leading to the tail. Herichthys Cyanoguttatum Rio Grande Perch / True Texas Cichlid   Per bro Lucky's input: This is where the GM gets it small to medium size pearls, strange, broken, or absent flowerline, the patch near the eye that is light gold colored, and where some GM get more of an angled tail fin and less of a tear drop tail. Vieja Fenestratus   Per bro Lucky's input: This is where the bright red color of GMs come from. Notice the red edging of the tail in the Fene that pops up in some GM. Also the red anterior ending in a line on the flank arises from the Fene. King Kong Parrot   Per bro Lucky's input: This is where the GM gets its stout, rounded body shape. The Malaysian Champion 2001 and 2002     You can see the body shape of the 2 fish is the same but the pearls and color changed in just one year span. Also notice the ZZ like trailing fins on the first Grand Champion and both have a tear drop that is also a ZZ like trait. They both have a prominent plum also which is also typically considered a ZZ trait. How can this be if their is no ZZ in GM? Easy, they both have a similar heritage of predecessor fish but were both breed in different directions. They both come from the powerful Louhan ancestor. The GM traits have changed since the line was first established. The ZZ line and GM line were both breed in different directions for their respective desired traits. Both lines are changing yearly as breeders continue to perform selective breeding to add desired traits into the line like wrapped fins, more pearls, bigger koks, and better colors. The Malaysian GM combines the best traits of all the strains of the FH 1. The mouth of a KF 2. The eyes of a KF 3. The body of a KF 4. The finnage of a KF 5. The kok of a KF/ZZ 6. The pearls of a ZZ 7. The flowers of a ZZ 8. The colors of a ZZ A GM is still a GM even if it does not have all of the above characteristics. Some Modern GM 7X Grand Champion   $8,000 Masterpiece   Female GM   Big Kok Mal   SML   Photo of GM Fry   There are currently 3 different breeds of Malaysian GM. 1. The Original GM 2. The KGM which is simply the name given to GM by Ah Keong (H23), a breeder who thought his offspring were unique for GM fry (they were made from Malaysian GM male and female). Unfortunately, after the second batch of fry, the female GM died. The female was replaced with a non- GM female. So, all KGM after the second batch are not GM, but ZZ. So, the KGM strain is no longer producing GM and has ended. The youngest GM based KGM are several years old by now. 3. The SML which is made by combining a GM male from Mr. Chang with a female GM from another breeder (Malaysian GM). This is done on a multiple mating level so their are multiple pairs of male GM from Chang with multiple females from the other breeder. The SML was developed by Sonny as a means of providing a GM strain that would be more affordable for people. Sonny is the creator and only source for SML. They tried this new breed because Sonny's GM are closer to the "older" GMs genetically nearer Lam Seah's GM and the other breeders female GM was the "newer" style GM. The terms old school GM and modern GM are just made up. Their is no such thing as an old school GM or modern GM. All GM have all the genetics from the beginning. These terms are used for ZZ in that old school ZZ did not have pearls and the modern ZZ do. GM are true breeding meaning a GM X GM= GM. So, an SML x GM = GM, GM x KGM = GM, SML x KGM = GM, GM x GM = GM, etc. They are all GM strains, just like in ZZ, a BD x RD = ZZ Where are all the GM? The GM breeders use a GM male and a GM female to produce GM fry. Well then, their should be plenty of GM male and female breeders, so why are their not more GM for sale? It has to do with quality control instead of fertility issues. The GM breeders routinely cull more than 90% of every batch of GM fry, sometimes 100%. This is to done to make sure only high quality fry are released to the market to keep the GM strain strong and beautiful. So the GM breeders have plenty of fry, just not enough high quality fry. Their is a large component of luck in getting a high percentage of great quality fry when breeding. The reason luck is involved, is because best male X best female does not = best fry. Sometimes the ugliest breeders produce the best fry. The reason ZZ and Kamfa are more plentiful is because their respective genetics are more stable in producing nicer fry than GM genetics. The female GM is what determines what type of fry you will get more so than any AAAA male GM. Apparently there are only a few breeders of GM in Malaysia. 1. Mr. Chang is the only official GM breeder in Malaysia, this is Sonny's partner. Mr. Leow is also Sonny's GM partner. Mr. Chang currently does the culling of the GM since he is the Master Breeder. Mr. Chang got his breeding stock from an ex GM breeder named AHF. Mr. Chang has only been breeding GM for a few years now. 2. Ah Fong and Bercham guy ceased breeding GM 3. Mr. Terence Jiam of Original Flower Horn (formerly Meng Aquarium) is a breeder that no longer breeds his own fish. One of his friends retired, and Mr. Terence gave all his breeders, tanks, and accesories to his retired friend. His friend now breeds the fish and sells the fry to Mr. Terence when they reach a certain size. This provides some extra income for Mr. Terence's friend during his retirement and frees up Mr. Terence to concentratr on other things. Indonesian GM Breeders Apparently, Mr. Pak Puji, an Indonesian business man, had 4 female GM and was breeding them in Indonesia at one time. The current state of his breeding is unknown. GM Care and Life Expectancy Care In general at least 2 meals per day should be fine. Either a mix of pellets or bloodworms/pellets should be adequate for proper growth and health. A minimum tank size of 50 gallons is needed to properly house a GM when full grown. Some people use a mirror to stimulate their GM or place him with other fish. The response will just depend on your particular GM, some will like it, and some will not. The minimum age a GM should be prior to breeding is 1.5 years old. Life Expectancy <1 year = lousy keeper 1~2 years = knowledgeable 3~4 years = good 5~6 years = very good 7~8 years = best >8 years = Champion Thanks, Ed Edited by PiebaldMidas, Jun 16 2008, 07:19 PM.
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| Flowerhornrus | May 3 2008, 04:14 AM Post #10 |
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That is some great stuff you posted bro ed... you da man... I hope we will all learn from this..for I am excited to learn as much as I can...thank you for opening a great discussion.. We need more like this for all to benifit.. Wish I would have more time to research and bring in details or ideas I may have... Hope more of the older members and or those with knowledge will help us out.. |
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| t.bone | May 3 2008, 10:09 AM Post #11 |
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great topic. i too am interested in why GM breeders are having trouble producing more GM's. And i'm also curious to see where Malaysia is in the hobby right now with their new creations (if any) and where they are taking the hobby in the future. there hasn't really been any new strains or maybe they're just not showing us. either way, we have alot of catching up to do here. |
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| Jam420 | May 4 2008, 03:54 AM Post #12 |
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Just my opinion here, Why is it hard to maintain a breed? because in order to maintain or stabilize a breed, you will need to be able to inbreed the desired traits to one main breeding stock, but how many years does it take to breed? what are the chances of the breeding stock living long enough to get the inbreed generations? Most peoples breeding stock dies because of so many factors, some are genetic defect and dies from that, some die from disease and some just die for unknown reasons. So what do you do, when your breeding stock dies on you? Just my opinion why I think its so hard to be a breeder. hehe cost..... time..... patience.... luck..... |
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| Jett | May 4 2008, 10:29 PM Post #13 |
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These 2 are brothers. Same batch smiliee Both GM. I think hehehe thinkingscratchingchin |
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| Sonny | May 5 2008, 02:34 AM Post #14 |
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OK guys, you start with a GM. 2 special GM were mated and made KML until around 2004 when the female died and thus this strain ended. firstly, GM & KML were the same thing/name. what you mentioned was the KGM breed which is a GM strain. the KGM was like a Red Dragon which is a ZZ strain. so you just can't say...the Red Dragon female died & thus this strain ended, don't you? Now we have SML, which per Sonny is a GM. yes, the SML is like the KGM, a breed that belongs to the GM. just like the ZZ which not only got the Red Dragon but also Blue Dragon and others. If Red & Blue could be a ZZ, why not KGM & SML be a GM? Does this mean that all SML come from GM parents or was a new fish added? If a new fish was added, how can it still be a GM subclass? SML was bred by using the male GM of Mr. Chang & another female GM from another breeder. as you may know, there ain't only 1 GM breeder here in Mal. Will an SML and SML make a fry of SML? Will a GM and SML make GM or SML? (like Vanz has) look, GM is like ZZ, a main strain name. you can't just take any AAA GM or earliest GM to tell people what a GM should be. if you do, you may be looking at the earliest classic ZZ of yesteryears rather than the modern ZZ of today to represent the ZZ. as for the question above: Will a GM and SML make GM or SML? is just like..Will a ZZ and Red Dragon make a ZZ or Red Dragon? Just trying to figure this out, I always thought that SML was a GM and ZZ type of fish, but after more reading I do not think that is correct. Anyone interested in responding, fire away and let the beatings begin let us not forget, a Kamfa that is without a wrap tail, sunken eyes and slim body is still consider as a Kamfa right? so why not a GM too since their ancestors were similar to the Kamfa which are the Louhans! javascript:emoticon('beating%20with%20a%20club') Ed Ps. Ed, those were some cool questions. sorry guys for being late to these answers. i'll try to answers all questions here eventhough i may be busy. just bear with me. thanks. |
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| PiebaldMidas | May 5 2008, 05:18 AM Post #15 |
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Thanks Sonny for taking time to answer these questions. I know I speak for everyone when I say how much we appreciate you here on this site. You are always willing to help out and share the knowledge javascript:emoticon('its%20a%20beautiful%20thing') Knowledge is Good javascript:emoticon('smiliee') OK, here is the new batch of questions. 1. Do the Malaysian GM breeders use GM parents to breed GM or a predecessor mom and dad fish that combine for GM fry? 2. Why are the Malaysian GM breeders having trouble producing GM fry when they should have plenty of male and female GM by now to have a whole breeding line? 3. Are the GM breeders introducing new fish into the gene pool to get new pearl patterns , color, etc. or selectively line breeding GM with GM to get desired traits? 4. Is the GM pool becoming weak from inbreeding, is this causing fertility issues, and if so, can this be helped by different Malaysian breeders rotating their fish with each other to add new genetics to the individual breeders gene pool ( like the SML ) ? 5. Can you give us the list of breeders for Malaysian GM? 6. Are ZZ also derived from the Hwakok strain or a different one, and if different could you please give the strain name and example fish photos of the predecessor fish 7. Could you post photos of the Malaysian Grand Champion GM from 2003-2007 so I can post them in order showing the change in GM over the years? 8. Why were the SML so much cheaper than the GM this last group buy? Is it because they are easier to breed because 2 different breeders are combining their fish and bring in new genes to the gene pool making the fry healthier? 9. Are all the SML coming from one pair of GM? Or are their multiple mated males from Mr. Chang with multiple mated females from another breeder? ( other breeders name?) 10. So, what percentage of GM are culled? If people saw some of the culled GM, I bet they would not believe they were GM. In the above GM fry photo, several fish do not look like GM. However they obviously are, so I wonder about some low grade fry making it to market and stimulating alot of debate about if they are true GM, etc. Can you explain your role Sonny, you are not a breeder, so do you get whole batches of GM fry and then cull them yourself, do you buy from the breeder and then sell to local stores, etc? What if you did not cull enough, what would happen with the fish that made it out and should not have, do you think this is happening? OK, I will stop at 10 questions, let you answer, then ask another round. javascript:emoticon('youdaman') Thanks Sonny, Ed PS: do not forget that I will be adding all this info into my original post with photos labeled The GM Blackboard, as Sonny gives his answers. This way, a single post will grow with all the answers in one place. javascript:emoticon('its%20a%20beautiful%20thing') Ed This post has been edited by PiebaldMidas on May 5 2008, 04:17 AM |
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| Lucky | May 5 2008, 02:31 PM Post #16 |
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Great thread! Ok, my turn to talk pure species again... I guess that will be my part in this. Let's start with an easy part of the equation... Trimac. Here is a pic of the great early GM champ. Next I will post a pic of a Pure Trimac for comparison. |
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| Lucky | May 5 2008, 02:38 PM Post #17 |
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So, can you see the similarities? Note the: Same overall golden/bronze color base... Same red eyes with black edging... Look how closely the anal fin matches... even has the same dark blue edge... The pink color on the chest matches too... The large flowermarkings... Same type of tail ...long teardrop tail... (Trimac pic is an older fish that teardrop tail drooped with age)... So, hopefully you can see the Trimac now in GM! |
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| Lucky | May 5 2008, 09:08 PM Post #18 |
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Here is one more Trimac pic. For this one note the fine pearls just behind the gill-plate & the smaller caudle peduncle or "tail-bone". These are stronger/more common traits of ZZ, yet still found in some GM. The next pure species I will showcase later for comparison will show different unique pearls common to GM and the reason why GM has a larger caudle peduncle then ZZ. |
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| Paintsn | May 6 2008, 06:34 AM Post #19 |
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great stuff!! keep it coming.. pleaseonknee the GM BLACKBOARD?? thinkingscratchingchin I think sonny should have his own section to answer all this smiliee great informations to absorb here thumbs up |
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| Lucky | May 6 2008, 02:06 PM Post #20 |
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Alright we looked at the Trimac in GM and now it is time for pure species #2 of the GM equation. First I will show some pics of GM... When looking at the pics notice the red lips on some of the GM, the thick tail-bone, and notice the uniform pearls that are on the posterior flanks; basically the larger uniform grouping of pearls just before the tail. 
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| Lucky | May 6 2008, 02:07 PM Post #21 |
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Great example... |
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| Lucky | May 6 2008, 02:08 PM Post #22 |
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Can you see the 3 traits I mentioned above yet? |
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| Lucky | May 6 2008, 02:09 PM Post #23 |
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They come from the pure species... Amphilophus festae. Same 3 traits shown here in the pure species pic. |
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| Lucky | May 6 2008, 02:13 PM Post #24 |
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See the thicker tail-bone? The uniform grouping of larger pearls leading to the tail, and the red lips? Festae... |
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| Lucky | May 6 2008, 02:16 PM Post #25 |
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So, hopefully by now you can see the Trimac & Festae in the GM. Next pure species in the mix will have much info about GM pearls. Here is a early GM pic with the Trimac traits, the Festae traits & the next pure species #3 in the mix that I will write about next. cheers |
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8:13 PM Dec 4