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Jing Ping Guo Golden Apple Thread; One of my all time favorites
Topic Started: May 15 2008, 07:32 PM (959 Views)
Jett	May 15 2008, 07:32 PM Post #1
1" Frys Posts: 194 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	This very popular breed was made By Ah Soon and Ah Wee. First couple of generations were sold at the A1 Aquarium. The Thing about this breed is that it was able to preserve the traditional body shape and fins of the Luo Han. As we go though the pictures, I will try to recall the background of each fish and the time frame it was made. So much here say about this fish so might as well share here what I know about it. Some points on JPG: - It is not a Kamalau. I would call it a Kamfa Luo Han. -JPG got popular really when the JPG Gen 2 one CAT B aquarama a long time ago. I dont remember the year hehehe -A good friend of mine Dennis aka Flowerhorn Aquarium was able to purchase a JPG -Another bro named Castrol knows JPG very well - Around 4 years ago, my bro Garfield, who probably owns the largest collection of JPG, partnered with Ah Soon to revive the JPG. They were able to produce around 10 to 15 more JPG's all sold here in the Philippines. - At the end of the partnership, Ah Soon sent his breeders here in the Philippines. - We never got to breed them again as something one must understand... breeding and producing is one thing.. culling and having an eye to select the one fry that would make it is another.



Jett	May 15 2008, 07:35 PM Post #2
1" Frys Posts: 194 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	2003 JPG Champion Aquarama. Solid Color Category. Picture from Dennis. See the body. fins.. metallic color and sunken eyes. AAA Luo Han for me



Jett	May 15 2008, 07:36 PM Post #3
1" Frys Posts: 194 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	A1 Uniform hehehe



Jett	May 15 2008, 07:39 PM Post #4
1" Frys Posts: 194 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	pump up



Jett	May 15 2008, 07:41 PM Post #5
1" Frys Posts: 194 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	I know that some of us take out the fish from the tank to show the beauty of the fish. Check this fish. Notice how solid the body is. Perfect body for me



Jett	May 15 2008, 07:47 PM Post #6
1" Frys Posts: 194 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	Some of the pieces sent to the Philippines..



Jett	May 15 2008, 07:53 PM Post #7
1" Frys Posts: 194 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	Some more pieces that landed here.



Jett	May 15 2008, 07:55 PM Post #8
1" Frys Posts: 194 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	JPg fries before culling hehehe. looks like GM when Fies eh?



Sonny	May 15 2008, 08:07 PM Post #9
Great "O" Master Posts: 1,571 Group: Global Advisors Member #23 Joined: June 7, 2006	thanks for the share Jett...those JPG is awesome! its a beautiful thing keep them coming.... i would rate bro Castrol to be one of the most knowledgable in JPG after Ah Soon during those days.... thumbs up btw do you know bro Castrol is FHRUS Founder member that joined June 7th. 2006 and got 312 post count? the last i heard from him was he's married to a Hong Kong wife. let me try to give him a call and get him here to help out... smiliee



Lucky	May 15 2008, 10:02 PM Post #10
15" 3x Champions Posts: 4,085 Group: Global Advisors Member #708 Joined: March 5, 2007	Jett May 15 2008, 06:41 PM I know that some of us take out the fish from the tank to show the beauty of the fish. "I know that some of us take out the fish from the tank to show the beauty of the fish."



Lucky	May 15 2008, 10:04 PM Post #11
15" 3x Champions Posts: 4,085 Group: Global Advisors Member #708 Joined: March 5, 2007	Sonny May 15 2008, 07:07 PM thanks for the share Jett...those JPG is awesome! its a beautiful thing keep them coming.... i would rate bro Castrol to be one of the most knowledgable in JPG after Ah Soon during those days.... thumbs up btw do you know bro Castrol is FHRUS Founder member that joined June 7th. 2006 and got 312 post count? the last i heard from him was he's married to a Hong Kong wife. let me try to give him a call and get him here to help out... smiliee "bro Castrol is FHRUS Founder member" Where is bro Castrol? He had these great Texas LH if I remember right... wow



Lucky	May 15 2008, 10:05 PM Post #12
15" 3x Champions Posts: 4,085 Group: Global Advisors Member #708 Joined: March 5, 2007	thumbs up



Flowerhornrus	May 15 2008, 11:39 PM Post #13
Administrator Posts: 5,084 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: June 2, 2006 Favorite Strain Kamfas Residence LoNg BeAcH, Ca. (USA)	Lucky May 15 2008, 09:04 PM "bro Castrol is FHRUS Founder member" Where is bro Castrol? He had these great Texas LH if I remember right... wow Awesome information bro Jett!! youdaman i went ahead and pinned this thread.. do you think if some would try could they be able to recreate the JPG strain?? or is it just a legend now?? and if so.. who would they be?? i really loved the type of body they possessed, awesome looking Kamfas and yeah where is Master Castrol?? I think hes very busy.. but i have seen him lately browsing around laughin rollin i think he's up to something.. hiding the secrets of the Wu Chai strain from me...hahah.. for ive been on him on that for years, for last i seen of it.. he was getting there.. wish i could input some bout the JPG strain but i know nothing and is just a newbie in love with these Fish im sorry ..., another person i think that has knowledge about JPG is Bluedragon.. if you see his members title it's JPG hahahah.. but sadly hes out of the hobby cryinbigtime
	It takes 36 muscles to make a FROWN... But it ONLY takes ONE FISH to make a Smile!!!


blue_ice�	May 16 2008, 09:35 AM Post #14
team PHILIPPINES Posts: 342 Group: Members Member #824 Joined: March 16, 2007	definitely an all time favorite grandmaster jett. hehehe



PiebaldMidas	May 17 2008, 06:42 PM Post #15
1" Frys Posts: 124 Group: Team RUS Member #8,455 Joined: March 1, 2008	Well, I am glad this thread is up and going. I think it is cool that the GM thread through off this awesome thread. I would like to encourage everyone to contribute and start fun threads. I am a total newbie myself but have enjoyed participating on this forum. In fact, I did not own my first FH until 4 months ago. The great thing about participating is that forces you to do research and learn, which is why we are all here. I have learned so much from starting the GM thread that it is not even funny.javascript:emoticon('smiliee') I think the JPG is an awesome strain. It is interesting that the current strains seem to have lost that thick, powerful build that the Louhan was famous for. I think it would be fun to try and recreate a powerful Louhan from scratch with pure strain fish. In fact, it would be neat to make a Louhan Flowerhornrus breeding project. If multiple members would all agree to cross 2 particular strains of fish, we could share the fry for the next cross. We could then cary the Louhan down to the JPG level and try are hand at recreating it. By using multiple people we could accelerate the process greatly. It would be nice if people wanted to do this if they would respond along with the fish they have they could breed. Maybe Jett could be the Master Breeder and help coordinate the crosses of the different members. javascript:emoticon('wwohh'), how awesome to even think we could do that. javascript:emoticon('daance') Talk about Old School! Jett, if it would not be impossible to do, could you post an example of how starting with 4 pure species ( Trimac, Midas, Vieja (which one) , and KKP) we could breed to the Louhan, and then breed it to the JPG? One more question for Jett, Does Garfield still have a large collection of JPG, and does he have an interest in breeding some more? Thanks, Ed



Simon	May 19 2008, 04:38 PM Post #16
5" Juvies Posts: 562 Group: Global Advisors Member #349 Joined: January 15, 2007	I like how wide the body on those fish are, its good to see some older strains once in a while. Thanks for sharing its a beautiful thing



t.bone	May 20 2008, 12:05 PM Post #17
3" Frys Posts: 396 Group: Global Moderators/ Team RUS Member #103 Joined: September 17, 2006	definitely one of my all time favs as well. i love how powerful and thick they are. and the sheen looks very consistent and provides good contrast to the red (on some). if i had one of these, i wouldn't need another FH for a while!
	"i wasn't down with the mainstream.....or should i say THEIR team." - Non Prophets


Jett	May 20 2008, 06:29 PM Post #18
1" Frys Posts: 194 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	Flowerhornrus May 15 2008, 10:39 PM Lucky May 15 2008, 09:04 PM "bro Castrol is FHRUS Founder member" Where is bro Castrol? He had these great Texas LH if I remember right... wow Awesome information bro Jett!! youdaman i went ahead and pinned this thread.. do you think if some would try could they be able to recreate the JPG strain?? or is it just a legend now?? and if so.. who would they be?? i really loved the type of body they possessed, awesome looking Kamfas and yeah where is Master Castrol?? I think hes very busy.. but i have seen him lately browsing around laughin rollin i think he's up to something.. hiding the secrets of the Wu Chai strain from me...hahah.. for ive been on him on that for years, for last i seen of it.. he was getting there.. wish i could input some bout the JPG strain but i know nothing and is just a newbie in love with these Fish im sorry ..., another person i think that has knowledge about JPG is Bluedragon.. if you see his members title it's JPG hahahah.. but sadly hes out of the hobby cryinbigtime this is a nice question... can we still breed a JPG... well if you ask me it is all up to ah Soon or / and Ah Wee. See the JPis their creation.. meaning they bred it, raised it and culled for it. Yes it is a Kamfa Luohan but I guess the secret to this fish is more of the "ingredients" they chose to use to come up with its trademark face and body plus the choice they made during culling. I know this sounds weird but imagine this.. the SML which we all know is a KML varriant.. what makes it special? the choice of "ingredients" Sonny and his partner chose plus their culling skilss. Same with the Golden Apple. There are a couple of folks other than me who have seen the breeders, just like my bro Castrol, but it really does not tell you much. I believe in FH, it is 20% genes, 20% pumping and 60% the ability of he breeder to spot the one that will make it. So then it goes back.. it is up to bro Soon and Wee



Jett	May 20 2008, 06:48 PM Post #19
1" Frys Posts: 194 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	PiebaldMidas May 17 2008, 05:42 PM Well, I am glad this thread is up and going. I think it is cool that the GM thread through off this awesome thread. I would like to encourage everyone to contribute and start fun threads. I am a total newbie myself but have enjoyed participating on this forum. In fact, I did not own my first FH until 4 months ago. The great thing about participating is that forces you to do research and learn, which is why we are all here. I have learned so much from starting the GM thread that it is not even funny.javascript:emoticon('smiliee') I think the JPG is an awesome strain. It is interesting that the current strains seem to have lost that thick, powerful build that the Louhan was famous for. I think it would be fun to try and recreate a powerful Louhan from scratch with pure strain fish. In fact, it would be neat to make a Louhan Flowerhornrus breeding project. If multiple members would all agree to cross 2 particular strains of fish, we could share the fry for the next cross. We could then cary the Louhan down to the JPG level and try are hand at recreating it. By using multiple people we could accelerate the process greatly. It would be nice if people wanted to do this if they would respond along with the fish they have they could breed. Maybe Jett could be the Master Breeder and help coordinate the crosses of the different members. javascript:emoticon('wwohh'), how awesome to even think we could do that. javascript:emoticon('daance') Talk about Old School! Jett, if it would not be impossible to do, could you post an example of how starting with 4 pure species ( Trimac, Midas, Vieja (which one) , and KKP) we could breed to the Louhan, and then breed it to the JPG? One more question for Jett, Does Garfield still have a large collection of JPG, and does he have an interest in breeding some more? Thanks, Ed On the request to post the fathers / mothers of the luohan, I thin Bro Lucky has already posted very good examples of these 4 Cichlids. Even if I post the cichlids it would not make a difference. Here is the thing.. lets name the 4 cichlids as A, B, C and D. We know that there are 4 major strains.. GM, JK, KF and ZZ. Se here is the formula.. A+B+C+D = GM D+C+B+A = ZZ C+B+A+D = KF A+D+C+B = ZZ of course other formulas can come in to improve the strain example.. KF + CBxDA = Better KF.. so on and so forth. As such, it would really will not help much. Now on the old type of KFLuohan.. I think Sonny posted his KFLuohan juvy a couple of months ago which shows there are still KF Luohans there. There is so much to this hobby that some folks chose to over simplify things. I guess they were after the fact that every one could understand easier. Not knowing with the above analogy on possible combinations to come up with a certain strain.. ergo.. different types of KF like the JPG.



Bigg Dogg	May 21 2008, 07:29 AM Post #20
FLOWERHORN'R'US Posts: 2,700 Group: Global Moderators/ Team RUS Member #22 Joined: June 7, 2006 Favorite Strain ALL of The ABOVE!!!!!	bravo wow Been reading and gathering up the infos and I have to say...another great thread. bro Jett youdaman
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Jam420	May 21 2008, 10:19 PM Post #21
4" Juvies Posts: 422 Group: Team Universal Member #31 Joined: June 11, 2006	amazing post Brother Jett. These were the awesome bodied fishes that most experiences flowerhorners would love to have in there tanks. Amazing and truely an beautiful classic.
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castrol	Jul 25 2008, 08:45 AM Post #22
3" Frys Posts: 325 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #21 Joined: June 7, 2006	wah...still talk about JPG... golden apple. anyone wonder why its call golden apple? its consider as luohan strain...somthing which i am still deep into it...ah soon standard very high...when choosing fries..got small kok, but no body shape...he will kill...got body shape n kok...no colour..kill....i told him..hey, can keep, y kill?? his reply was....i only wants the best... it can be recreated...but must find the right male n female...female is most important....but to say..i did try n try after ah soon show me how its breeding parents is, but i was stuck somewhere on breeding... got to go...will reply again when got time...anything can pm me. thanks.
	i only have one life, one time, once a life time to die...i rather get old n senile without memories better then getting old with lots of regrets about things tat i haven accomplish when i had the chance


Flowerhornrus	Jul 25 2008, 09:41 AM Post #23
Administrator Posts: 5,084 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: June 2, 2006 Favorite Strain Kamfas Residence LoNg BeAcH, Ca. (USA)	castrol Jul 25 2008, 08:45 AM wah...still talk about JPG... golden apple. anyone wonder why its call golden apple? its consider as luohan strain...somthing which i am still deep into it...ah soon standard very high...when choosing fries..got small kok, but no body shape...he will kill...got body shape n kok...no colour..kill....i told him..hey, can keep, y kill?? his reply was....i only wants the best... it can be recreated...but must find the right male n female...female is most important....but to say..i did try n try after ah soon show me how its breeding parents is, but i was stuck somewhere on breeding... got to go...will reply again when got time...anything can pm me. thanks. for the insight bro Master Castrol.. you still manage to make me laugh and smile with your comments And Kuya Jett.. you are truly amazing..you opened up alot with your statements.. Quote: I believe in FH, it is 20% genes, 20% pumping and 60% the ability of he breeder to spot the one that will make it. surely this help understand alot.. i too believe in this
	It takes 36 muscles to make a FROWN... But it ONLY takes ONE FISH to make a Smile!!!


castrol	Jul 25 2008, 10:55 AM Post #24
3" Frys Posts: 325 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #21 Joined: June 7, 2006	i was stuck with tis as last breeding attempt...as even the father is dead, mum is dead, this guy is infertile, sidblings are infertile also......after 2generations..with very little success n luck...i gave up http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=orangelhil1.jpg still i was trying out on this also... eventually, 3months later in june 06 i got married...so i gotta cut down my tanks ...so cant do anymore breeding Attached to this post: 25.jpg (15.05 KB) Edited by Flowerhornrus, Jul 25 2008, 11:10 AM.
	i only have one life, one time, once a life time to die...i rather get old n senile without memories better then getting old with lots of regrets about things tat i haven accomplish when i had the chance


castrol	Jul 25 2008, 11:05 AM Post #25
3" Frys Posts: 325 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #21 Joined: June 7, 2006	some jpg pics Attached to this post: 28.jpg (6.13 KB) 29.jpg (6.19 KB) Edited by Flowerhornrus, Jul 25 2008, 11:12 AM.
	i only have one life, one time, once a life time to die...i rather get old n senile without memories better then getting old with lots of regrets about things tat i haven accomplish when i had the chance


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