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| Topic Started: Jun 22 2008, 07:36 AM (1,443 Views) | |
| wildimage | Jun 22 2008, 07:36 AM Post #1 |
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Ok, i want to learn, share, observe these 2 breeds and name all the difference... Making this thread real short right now, got to go out for a bit, but when i get back will add more to this post... So please lol wait until i post questions, my own observations etc...then we shall learn and gather info all together!   Locking the thread just for now, for i dont have time to put every thoughts i have etc...will un lock thread latter today 
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| wildimage | Aug 25 2008, 08:48 AM Post #2 |
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Ok....so it would be interesting to have pics of King Kamfas and details....and then also pics of Kon Kamfas and their details.... Oh and also King Kamfas Malau...why KKM? For i read so much that some say they are KK.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KING KAMFA'S USUAL TRAITS:   EYE COLOR: COLOR: BODY SHAPE: FINS: TAIL: FLOWERLINE: KOK: FACE FEATURE: KING KAMFAS ARE A MIX OF: DISTINGUISHING FEATURES: UN-USUAL TRAITS & EXCEPTIONS: LOW GRADE TRAITS IN KING KAMFA'S: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KING KAMFA'S MALAU USUAL TRAITS:   EYE COLOR: COLOR: BODY SHAPE: FINS: TAIL: FLOWERLINE: KOK: FACE FEATURE: KING KAMFAS MALAU ARE A MIX OF: DISTINGUISHING FEATURES: UN-USUAL TRAITS & EXCEPTIONS: LOW GRADE TRAITS IN KING KAMFA'S MALAU: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KON KAMFA'S USUAL TRAITS:   EYE COLOR: COLOR: BODY SHAPE: FINS: TAIL: FLOWERLINE: KOK: FACE FEATURE: KON KAMFAS ARE A MIX OF: DISTINGUISHING FEATURES: UN-USUAL TRAITS & EXCEPTIONS: LOW GRADE TRAITS IN KON KAMFA'S: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I know some dont care for the name or details of different breeds, but i like to learn the differences, im sure others like it too...so lets have a clean thread, fun learning, and a thread with good information and knowledge! I hope many wise Masters & of course Members & Staff, who know more than me....teach me and others in this thread :)   Again to all who will give out details explaining the differences etc....many many    Let this young Jedi apprentice learn hahahaha!!!  Edited by Bigg Dogg, Aug 27 2008, 06:14 PM.
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| Bigg Dogg | Aug 26 2008, 06:45 AM Post #3 |
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From what I know Kon Is a name of a shop in Vietnam and we all know that Bro. Mel have 2 farm 1 in Singapore and other in Vietnam...So the breeder call most of their Kamfa KonKamfa to represent their shop. For example the breeder bred and got a batch of frys...now from that batch of frys they might get some King from it which are call KingKamfa and the rest that's not good enough to be King's...They are now being call Kon or Tan. How can we tell the King from the others...well the King should speak for itself. Pearls Kok Eyes Fins Coloration's body BTW Lynda the fish you've post as a Kon was giving to me as a King..anyways it don't matter King or Kon Is just a name giving by the breeder.  So what we know so far? KonKamfa- bred in Vietnam ACKamfa- bred in Singapore TanKamfa- bred in Vietnam So lets try to put all of this together shall we.. Kon+AC+Tan= Kamfa However much we debate about the names at the end its still a Kamfa. King and Kon some might be from the same batch, but the King will separate themselves from others. Good sample..  Kok pearls coloration's body fins eyes This fish got what it take to be call King..now try comparing this fish to the so-call King and you shall see the difference's. So why are we debating over names? Easy people always want what's best for themselves...If there's 2 pair of shoe that looked identical and the only thing that separate them Is the name..one is a brand name shoe and the other are not...so what's the difference? I know..we'll be paying way more for the brand name shoe.  Why do people call their Kamfa KingKamfa, because we only want what's best right? So many fishes are being sold as King's and so many people are buying them just because the title state King...so this is a great thread for us to learn and know the difference's between the real and the fakes. for thread Lynda and I hope that all the master can enlighten us with all these names and strains....So master  enlighten US!!!Regards, Kevin My 2cents + a penny Edited by Bigg Dogg, Aug 26 2008, 06:51 AM.
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| naminator | Aug 26 2008, 08:07 AM Post #4 |
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I thought this thread was about King Kamfa and Kon Kamfa. Why got Tan King involved? But anyway, I'd like to correct some information posted in this thread. Breeder of Tan King does not call his fish Kamfa. It's Tan King Flowerhorn. It's a kamfa mix. But sure some Tan Kings look like kamfa and thus hobbyist/owner calls their Tan King (TK) a kamfa. Here's full detail of the birth of this breed - http://www.flowerhorncraze.com/Tan-King-t22055.html And if you like, you can see Mr. Tan here - http://www.flowerhorncraze.com/Breeders-Hobbyists-Met-t26506.html&st=20&gopid=77272#entry77272 |
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| Flowerhornrus | Aug 26 2008, 05:03 PM Post #5 |
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hmmm >???  I thought the term KING KAMFA is basically a term given by some Fish that was made in Thailand in the KING's Farm?? I mean the King liked the fish soo much that he named KING Kamfa which came from the KING's Farm. but if you are good.. you will be able to tell what is KING and what is not.. to be honest a KING KAMFA do have their unique traits and characteristics.. but this is not for me to say.. so Master's any insight?? please do share by the way..... nice info you got there bro Nam.. great to learn together.. lets see where this will go |
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| Flowerhornrus | Aug 27 2008, 01:07 AM Post #6 |
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well lets find out together if its true or not  many thing in this FH world that we could find new daily so could anyone enlighten us on this?? or do i have to hunt someone down
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It takes 36 muscles to make a FROWN... But it ONLY takes ONE FISH to make a Smile!!!
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| chrscap | Aug 27 2008, 01:37 AM Post #7 |
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like Bigg Dogg said its just a name, yes.. very special flowerhorns were bred to make these unique looking flowerhorns and that only small percentage come out of that batch. you just have to mix and match and see what comes out, thats why I never see an identical/similar looking king. Now im starting to see these "kings" are coming out a lot more like its a stable strain, I thought what made these "kings" so special that they are only small percentage from that batch, now im seeing the whole batch are all kings. I'm just getting to confused on this whole King King situation. Please, what happend to the story??? I think mine is one of a kind, which is a Tan King breed, if he grows a bigger head he will be definetly belong in the true "King" category. Hes currently almost hitting the 4 Inch mark. 
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| Flowerhornrus | Aug 27 2008, 02:41 AM Post #8 |
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the more we share the more we learn.. and best to learn from those that got credibility and knowledge.. so yeah im waiting to see from the Masters out there and will try to put one and one together "if it isnt on document then it didnt happen" lets wait and see how this thread will go
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| Bigg Dogg | Aug 27 2008, 05:44 AM Post #9 |
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Relax bro. it just an example...I'm not saying nothing bad about Mr. Tan and I thought it was sold to U.S as Tan King Kamfa. Anyways thanks for the info it is good for all of us to learn and know these things. So you saying that tan are not Kamfa, but it got Kamfa mix... Now you got my attention..INTERESTING. That's like saying KML are not GM...so the fish that have Kamfa bloodline are not Kamfa then?So much to learn..It seem like I just started the hobby yesterday...so many new things.
So I can't call Mr. Tan King..Kamfa? BTW I just use random name for an example of what breeder call thier breeds. That's all so I hope NO harm are done. Respectfully, Kevin Edited by Bigg Dogg, Aug 27 2008, 06:12 PM.
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| poseidon | Aug 27 2008, 12:23 PM Post #10 |
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1st of all, let me explain kon is just a brand name, we used to sell kamfa. down the years the local are so used to the name konkamfa,konkamfa.................................that how it happen.konkamfa farm and Aquaria Cave are under one roof. as for the breeds.  1)konkamfa= org vietnam, but only export to singapore(Aquaria Cave) 2)AC kamfa= org vietnam, but only export to singapore as well(Aquaria Cave) 3)konmalau and ZZ = org vietnam, local and singapore 4)kingkamfa= org thailand mostly export to singapore(Aquaria Cave) ps: there are more then one breeder in thailand, claim to bred KK, hope you get the right one. so what i can say is konkamfa and AC kamfa are solely the rights of (Aquaria Cave),and now kingkamfa.be sure of what you getting.so far only flowerhorn R us members owned these breed beside singapore. dont mix tan king and konkamfa and kingkamfa together,as they are diff breed. oh and BD fish is a king not a kon.  KK= kingkamfa kkf= konkamfa TK= Tan king regards, poseidon(mel) Edited by poseidon, Aug 27 2008, 01:05 PM.
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| poseidon | Aug 27 2008, 12:58 PM Post #11 |
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some info, wonder why so many visitors are at the konkamfa farm? well two handsome guys are from the U.S.A, claimed looking to buy konkamfa and kingkamfa,but nothing was sold. as for tan king.a big project, hoping to join hands with konkamfa, breeding new stains.nothing was confirmed. too bad my buddy mr con(konkamfa) dont understand or write english well,if not he could tell u guys more anyway its a good sign, a very friendly visit except wanting to buy more fishes. will keep all updated
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| Flowerhornrus | Aug 27 2008, 05:10 PM Post #12 |
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so bro Mel.... how was King kamfa originated or come to being??? please do share.. also what are the characteristics of a King Kamfa so we wont be easily fooled by anyone
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| wildimage | Sep 1 2008, 07:41 PM Post #13 |
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Hehehe...so much to learn...and so true ***the more we share the more we learn*** But i know not all will be revealed But what ever is shared....is most appreciated
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| NiceFishHomie | Sep 2 2008, 12:53 AM Post #14 |
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What I think what is happening is like this. Lets say I am breeding for a zz red dragon. Lyndia also breeding zz red dragon for canada. Vanz also breeding for zz red dragon for southern california. So why are all of our fishes of red dragons are different? Are they all from the same red dragon zz bloodline? Now to separate myself from the rest, I'll call mine kon red dragon and vanz will call his tan red dragon and lyndia will call hers king red dragon. The name is only given as a respect for the breeder. The name Kon and you already know where it came from. The name TK and you already know where it came from. I think that is how it all goes down from my own speculation and to make it simple for myself but you know I'm wrong. LOL |
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| wildimage | Sep 2 2008, 08:13 PM Post #15 |
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I totaly agree with ***The name is only given as a respect for the breeder*** But some features of each kind, i find there is differences...Pearls on Kon, on King & also on KingMalau are amazing...Kink Kamfa Malau with red eyes***...etc... What about pearls on some Kons, on their tails and finnage...long straight brownish at times pearls... Man...what a beautiful hobby we are in...alsways such suprises, and things to learns and also things to make us in awe |
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| JK2310 | Sep 4 2008, 09:28 AM Post #16 |
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Hi bro from US, The name "King Kamfa" was been created by breeder in Thailand under Joe Sakana Morning Farm, not all farm breeder or home breeder in Thailand can just use the name "King Kamfa" this is a register name under Joe Sakana Morning Farm. The name "Kon Kamfa" is from farm breeder in Veitnam |
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| JK2310 | Sep 4 2008, 09:45 AM Post #17 |
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I'm from Singapore, in S'pore there is only 1 Farm in the west area call NKF meam Nippon koi Farm that all Singaporean know. NKF is a Koi Farm , they just use a place in the farm as a show room/selling thier FH. Yes, they do breeding and at the same time they do being in FH from Malaysia to thier farm for sales. As you guy also know some bro in US also taken from the last GB in this forum. The rest are just small shop that selling FH or we in S'pore call it a LFS. As for Singapore breeder for FH, there are only 3 of them, all of them are in the west area of Singapore 1)ST96 2)ST65 3)NKF Edited by JK2310, Sep 4 2008, 09:50 AM.
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| JK2310 | Sep 4 2008, 10:00 AM Post #18 |
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There are no "King Kamfa" so far in Singapore in any of the Farm or LSF for sales. Only some ppl just like to use the name "King kamfa" in Singapore. A "Kon Kamfa" is a "Kon" how nice or look like "King Kamfa" a "Kon Kamfa" is still a "Kon" can never be call "King kamfa". Cause is a register name by "Joe Sakana Moring Farm" in Thailand. Edited by JK2310, Sep 4 2008, 10:09 AM.
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| Mystique | Sep 4 2008, 10:49 AM Post #19 |
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Dear all, What Mr JK2310 said Sg has no King Kamfa? First of all to everyone's information, JK2310 has no knowledge of anything and has never stepped into Aquaria Cave who has exclusive pieces of King Kamfa. Hence, he has to prove his statement which stands no grounds at all. |
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| JK2310 | Sep 4 2008, 10:52 AM Post #20 |
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Dear All Mr Poseidon Have NO FARM IN SINGAPORE AT ALL is just a very small shop. |
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| JK2310 | Sep 4 2008, 10:54 AM Post #21 |
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I will post a pics of his small shop here to let every ppl see |
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| Mystique | Sep 4 2008, 10:56 AM Post #22 |
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Mr JK2310, please do so ! And state your facts! I will be using your claims to sue you! Get ready sir! |
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| JK2310 | Sep 4 2008, 10:58 AM Post #23 |
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Just tell all US bro here why the last Singapore Group buy my fish pics is been post this forum? 
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| Mentat | Sep 4 2008, 11:07 AM Post #24 |
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Hello Bro JK2310! I'm confused by your statement a bit. Are you stating that presently there are no locally available King Kamfas in Singapore (for sale, at farms, etc.) at all? I guess if they are available at Thailand; a Singapore national with knowledge of fish industry could travel there and either buy directly from breeder or through intermediary. Then he could import to Singapore and sell locally to friends, or fish club, or export them out for profit. That could happen without the fish being at Singapore farm or LFS. Possible, right? If so; there could be Thai King Kamfas somewhere at Singapore right now. Also; they could be heading here too... right? What we need at FHRUS now is a nice picture of a King Kamfa champion or top fish with strain identifying traits (what makes a King Kamfa a King Kamfa) marked out and labeled by a breeder or collector with the proper knowledge. Then all members can learn what in reality is a King Kamfa. |
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| Lucky | Sep 4 2008, 12:17 PM Post #25 |
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He never been to the Cave & he says all this? I would send out... Caaaptain Caaaavemaaaan after him! Man is that KL saying all this??? If so... way to many Tigers man!  Proof is in the fish and not your words! 
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