Some new and some old KF caring tips

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Some new and some old KF caring tips; let's review them
Topic Started: Jul 16 2008, 11:56 PM (288 Views)
Jett	Jul 16 2008, 11:56 PM Post #1
1" Frys Posts: 176 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	I want to start this thread as I believe that regardles how long we are in the hobby, we will learn something new. We all know that KF's are kinda tricky to pump so why not share some new and some old tricks here shall we. I can start this. - Mirrors. Kamfa from sizes 2" to 10 tip to tip loves this. I would suggest to take it out when they get to 10" coz they get to wild hehehe - Shrimps and shrimps and shrimps. KF responds well to this food - Well buffered water. Put in some crushed corals there - Salt... they like water with high mineral content - lots of food.. KF are hard to over feed unlike ZZ's - NO NO to chlorine and ammonia spikes



petah	Jul 17 2008, 03:12 AM Post #2
15" 3x Champions Posts: 3,847 Group: Global Moderators/ Team RUS Member #99 Joined: September 12, 2006	nice information...
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Mentat	Jul 17 2008, 05:50 AM Post #3
Peacemaker Posts: 1,403 Group: Global Advisors Member #11 Joined: June 4, 2006	Good idea Jett, added a couple below question. When you mention shrimp do you refer to freshwater prawns or to saltwater shrimp? Reason I ask is because apparently there is a difference in nutritional value and response in our fish. Please let me know and I will expand later on separate thread to avoid derailing this important one. - Most Kamfas prefer smaller frequent water changes than larger infrequent ones. - Keep pH on the high side (from 7.6 up to 8.2). Invest in a high pH scale test kit and fine tune the range slowly (adding more or removing coral/aragonite) to pH that shows your Kamfa best. Salamat!
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Bigg Dogg	Jul 17 2008, 06:01 AM Post #4
FLOWERHORN'R'US Posts: 2,278 Group: Global Moderators/ Team RUS Member #22 Joined: June 7, 2006 Favorite Strain ALL of The ABOVE!!!!!	for the info's Bro. Jett One question I must ask...how much space do you think one Kamfa need? I notice that most kamfas can take forever to grow.
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Jett	Jul 17 2008, 10:57 PM Post #5
1" Frys Posts: 176 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	Mentat Jul 17 2008, 05:50 AM Good idea Jett, added a couple below question. When you mention shrimp do you refer to freshwater prawns or to saltwater shrimp? Reason I ask is because apparently there is a difference in nutritional value and response in our fish. Please let me know and I will expand later on separate thread to avoid derailing this important one. - Most Kamfas prefer smaller frequent water changes than larger infrequent ones. - Keep pH on the high side (from 7.6 up to 8.2). Invest in a high pH scale test kit and fine tune the range slowly (adding more or removing coral/aragonite) to pH that shows your Kamfa best. Salamat! I agree wiht your tip on the higher PH. I do that by buffering the water with a lot of crushed corals. You just need to be observant as a too high PH water would make your Kamfa less colorful. In a nutritional content perspective, naturally fresh shrimps are better. Always better. Live would even be ideal. Problem with fresh food are of course risk of contamination and hassle of preparation. As such, I always use the freeze dried variety.



meng	Jul 17 2008, 11:05 PM Post #6
1" Frys Posts: 182 Group: Members Member #8,943 Joined: March 21, 2008	Jett Jul 16 2008, 11:56 PM I want to start this thread as I believe that regardles how long we are in the hobby, we will learn something new. We all know that KF's are kinda tricky to pump so why not share some new and some old tricks here shall we. I can start this. - Mirrors. Kamfa from sizes 2" to 10 tip to tip loves this. I would suggest to take it out when they get to 10" coz they get to wild hehehe - Shrimps and shrimps and shrimps. KF responds well to this food - Well buffered water. Put in some crushed corals there - Salt... they like water with high mineral content - lots of food.. KF are hard to over feed unlike ZZ's - NO NO to chlorine and ammonia spikes thks for the information only a bit different of keeping mostly similar
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Jett	Jul 17 2008, 11:05 PM Post #7
1" Frys Posts: 176 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	Bigg Dogg Jul 17 2008, 06:01 AM for the info's Bro. Jett One question I must ask...how much space do you think one Kamfa need? I notice that most kamfas can take forever to grow. generally for full grown, a minimum of 3 feet. I use 4 feet tanks. For the growth of the kamfa, there are factors that can affect this. First of course is nutrition and condition of living quarters. But one thing we would need to see is its genetic make up. okay let me elaborate on this. These are based on my experience and probably bros like Sonny can add to this. A usual recipe in making kamfa is you get either a ZZ, fertile male KF, fertile male Kamalau or fertile male Lou han and cross it with a female parrot. Either blood parrot, King Kong or even Mammon can be used. Now let's take that recipe and analyze a bit. We all know that Luo Han or say a Hua Kok is bigger than a ZZ so therefore KF's made with LH x KKP will be bigger than ZZ x KKP. Some very good breeders would use a male ZZ that has been mixed with Luo Han blood and use them as KF breeders. These would result in producing bigger KF's. The biggest KF recorded here in the Philippines is a 19 incher. It dwarfed my 16 inch indo batik kamfa. We also know, as practiced here in the Philippines, zz x a large blood parrot would result into a KF as well. Problem with this is these KF's will never exceed or even reach more than 13" I also have a 5 year old KGM KF, which is a KML x KKP, which is rather small. I would estimate it to be 14.5 inch tip to tip. And believe me that is small for a KF that old. Why? you will notice GM's dont grow very big. Hope these makes sense. By the way, it is in my experience that KF's grow faster than ZZ's.



Jett	Jul 17 2008, 11:07 PM Post #8
1" Frys Posts: 176 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	meng Jul 17 2008, 11:05 PM Jett Jul 16 2008, 11:56 PM I want to start this thread as I believe that regardles how long we are in the hobby, we will learn something new. We all know that KF's are kinda tricky to pump so why not share some new and some old tricks here shall we. I can start this. - Mirrors. Kamfa from sizes 2" to 10 tip to tip loves this. I would suggest to take it out when they get to 10" coz they get to wild hehehe - Shrimps and shrimps and shrimps. KF responds well to this food - Well buffered water. Put in some crushed corals there - Salt... they like water with high mineral content - lots of food.. KF are hard to over feed unlike ZZ's - NO NO to chlorine and ammonia spikes thks for the information only a bit different of keeping mostly similar Bro Meng, it would be really awesome to know your techniques, which is the primary reason for the thread, as I am forever a newbie in this hobby hoping tolearn and impart small thing I know.



cktanPenang	Jul 18 2008, 01:34 AM Post #9
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Mentat	Jul 18 2008, 08:28 AM Post #10
Peacemaker Posts: 1,403 Group: Global Advisors Member #11 Joined: June 4, 2006	Jett Jul 17 2008, 11:05 PM We all know that Luo Han or say a Hua Kok is bigger than a ZZ so therefore KF's made with LH x KKP will be bigger than ZZ x KKP. Some very good breeders would use a male ZZ that has been mixed with Luo Han blood and use them as KF breeders. These would result in producing bigger KF's. The biggest KF recorded here in the Philippines is a 19 incher. It dwarfed my 16 inch indo batik kamfa. Awesome info, ! A 19" Kamfa . Can you please post pics of your Indo Batik Kamfa; even at 16" that is a big one to me.
	In dwelling, live close to the ground. In thinking, keep it simple. In conflict, be fair and generous. In governing, don't control. In work, do what you enjoy. In family life, be completely present. - Tao Te Ching


Mentat	Jul 18 2008, 10:51 AM Post #11
Peacemaker Posts: 1,403 Group: Global Advisors Member #11 Joined: June 4, 2006	Jett Jul 16 2008, 11:56 PM - NO NO to chlorine and ammonia spikes This is very important . One of the reasons we do not do large water changes on Kamfa's is the heavy load of chemicals some water sources have. During summer months, my local water is heavily dosed with chloramines and has around 50 ppm of ammonia right out of faucet. Currently I triple-dose recommended anti-chlorine levels and the conditioner in use also removes Ammonia . None of my Kamfa's have reacted negatively to water changes as large as 30% (normally do less than 10%). Edited by Mentat, Jul 18 2008, 10:54 AM.
	In dwelling, live close to the ground. In thinking, keep it simple. In conflict, be fair and generous. In governing, don't control. In work, do what you enjoy. In family life, be completely present. - Tao Te Ching


wildimage	Jul 22 2008, 02:25 PM Post #12
* Bionic Biker Chickyta* Posts: 3,780 Group: Global Moderators/ Team RUS Member #455 Joined: January 31, 2007	wow great information! I dont have a Kamfa, but if i do one day...this is great info!!!
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Jett	Jul 22 2008, 06:33 PM Post #13
1" Frys Posts: 176 Group: Global Advisors Member #8,864 Joined: March 18, 2008	Mentat Jul 18 2008, 08:28 AM Jett Jul 17 2008, 11:05 PM We all know that Luo Han or say a Hua Kok is bigger than a ZZ so therefore KF's made with LH x KKP will be bigger than ZZ x KKP. Some very good breeders would use a male ZZ that has been mixed with Luo Han blood and use them as KF breeders. These would result in producing bigger KF's. The biggest KF recorded here in the Philippines is a 19 incher. It dwarfed my 16 inch indo batik kamfa. Awesome info, ! A 19" Kamfa . Can you please post pics of your Indo Batik Kamfa; even at 16" that is a big one to me. Here he was when he was 14.5" I think. His tank is a 4 foot tank and note that he is at the back of the tank . You can also estimate form the picture that given his height here was more than 10"



Paintsn	Jul 23 2008, 02:43 AM Post #14
>>>NeWbIe 4LiFe<<< Posts: 4,495 Group: Team RUS Member #2 Joined: June 2, 2006 Favorite Strain Kamfas Residence LoNg BeAcH, CaLi	that is one awesome KF you got there bro Jett... i remember that bad boy..you took great pride of him. with me.. ive usually thought Kamfa were slower growing than ZZ.. to me ZZ mature faster as it also grew quicker than any Fh.. Kamfas to me are very sensitive Fh to raise.. and yes i do believe crush corals do help out alot. again what posted are very usefull infos.. hope many would add more so we could all learn the different techniques of raising a kamfa to the fullest
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Mentat	Jul 26 2008, 05:43 AM Post #15
Peacemaker Posts: 1,403 Group: Global Advisors Member #11 Joined: June 4, 2006	Jett Jul 22 2008, 06:33 PM Thanks for sharing the pic Bro Jett, awsome solid fish. His body shape reminds me of other classic and now gone fish like the Golden Apple. Your recommendations for tank size are pretty much on the money. Basically a normal fish tank should be a minimun of 3 times the adult fish lenght; and as deep as fish is long so he can turn around. Housing FH in small areas can lead to stunting, gill curling, atrophied muscle tissues and weak bone structures. All this can compromise fish health and even lead to premature death (i.e. broken backs). Also, for FH that like to do acrobatics (rolls, figure 8s, etc.) a tall tank (20-25 in. and up) is best.
	In dwelling, live close to the ground. In thinking, keep it simple. In conflict, be fair and generous. In governing, don't control. In work, do what you enjoy. In family life, be completely present. - Tao Te Ching


mightymouse35	Jul 26 2008, 08:10 AM Post #16
3" Frys Posts: 354 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #41 Joined: June 19, 2006	just my personal ex but kamfa prefer taller tanks as well. i also agree w/ the mirrors, my lil ones lov it



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