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| Topic Started: Aug 11 2008, 07:34 AM (522 Views) | |
| nikitanain | Aug 11 2008, 07:34 AM Post #1 |
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i had seen a gorgoeus fish a month ago.. swimming about in an LFS..he looks terrible now and may die because he was not treated in time.. the LFS guy gave me the fish finally but  if i wil be able to do anything... the LFS guy dint tell me much about the fish, he just said that his poop is white and he eats a bit (just enough to survive) he is a strong boy and i dont wanna put him down without trying..... i have started him on Metronidazole Tablets.. 2 tablets in about 15 gallons water... it s a lil on the higher side but the i dont have too much time to experiment... he is just lying on one side and lifts his head to eat.. he hasnt touched pellets of any kind... i will be feeding him worms in a lil while.. i have soaked them in Metronidazole....i also suspect secondary infections... i have also added some non iodised salt to the tub he is in ( i use this salt for all my fish ) please let me know if u have any suggestions..and please pray for the little baby....  
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| Narein | Aug 11 2008, 09:56 AM Post #2 |
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Velvet Disease Causes & Symptoms * This condition is caused by a fungus living in your tank. * Poor water quality causes this fungus to thrive in your tank. * If your fish is affected, he may stop swimming, and he may begin to look ill. Treatment · Add Copper Sulfate (Blue Crystal) to your tank. Be sure to use the ratio of 1 g Copper Sulfate and 0.25g Citric Acid to 1 litre of distilled water. Dosage instructions: 12.5 ml to 10 litres of aquarium water for 10 days. Administer half of this on days three, five and seven. Preventive measures : * Change your water regularly. * Quarantine new fish for three to four weeks. * Avoid cross-tank contamination. The above information are took from the link: http://www.flowerfish.com/flowerhorn_diseases.html Hope it helps.....  |
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| nikitanain | Aug 11 2008, 10:06 AM Post #3 |
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thanks..  i wish the LFS guy had kept him well.. then the poor chap would not be in so much pain.... but velvet causes a yellow shiny appearance on the fish, and this fish doesn't have it... this is a combination of gastrointestinal problem + bloat.... |
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| Mentat | Aug 12 2008, 04:22 AM Post #4 |
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Hi Sis  ! Couple questions to try and find out whats going on.1. Was fish ok at store and suddenly was laying on side? If so, suspect spine damage from impact with something. If alive for awhile (most die in a couple days) damage might be minor and he will recover somewhat, but very slowly. 2. If onset of symptoms was slow; parasites usually weaken fish and a secondary bacterial infection sets in. Is he breathing fast, are lips swollen, are eyes cloudy or hazy like? If so, would not waste time with slow acting meds and use a broad spectrum antibiotic (Mardel's Maracyn Plus is good against gram + and - bacteria) now. Do a large water change to remove Metro and treat him according to directions on day 1, 3, and 5. Would be good if you can move him to a bio-established tank for that treatment or add a little established filter to tub if you have one. 3. After that Tx (around day 6-7) he should be better; then we can follow-up with a Fluke Tab Tx to wipe out any remaining parasites.  !
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| nikitanain | Aug 12 2008, 05:03 AM Post #5 |
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when i saw him about 3 weeks ago, he was swimming about , but in between laying on his sides... so i dont think its a spine damage... his condition has deteriorated over a period of time, and he was fed only on worms by the LFS guy.... his tummy is bloated a lil bit too.. he can move around.. but horizontally... he can lift his head to accept food, but doesnt have the energy to grip it and eat it..... Is he breathing fast, are lips swollen, are eyes cloudy or hazy like: none of these symptoms...... what is Tx? we dont get fluke tablets here by a specific company (azoo maybe) if u could gimme the compound then i can probably get it from somewhere.....
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| nikitanain | Aug 12 2008, 05:05 AM Post #6 |
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since metro is an antibiotic, wouldnt it be safe to continue the medication for 5 days (minimum time) in small dozes, and then stop it..... i scooped him in the net today and dropped some food in his mouth..he ate a lil bit (no force used)... |
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| nikitanain | Aug 12 2008, 07:44 AM Post #7 |
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here is the azoo link.. they have some fluke tablets, but i will have to see if the distributor keeps them... http://www.azoo.com.tw/ |
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| Au Duong Phong | Aug 12 2008, 08:57 AM Post #8 |
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I think you can do it. Good luck. |
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| nikitanain | Aug 12 2008, 09:37 AM Post #9 |
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thanks ADP..someone on another forum, recommended azoo's anti endo parasite medicine.. i will be contacting the Indian distributor for azoo in the morning and get it, if he has it... |
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| Mentat | Aug 12 2008, 11:28 AM Post #10 |
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Tx = treatment. Typical Metronidazole Tx = one 500 mg. tablet per 10 gal. Repeat Tx in 24 hours (2 Tx are normally adequate). Do a 50% water change 3 days after symptoms clear (holes in head area sometimes with pus). This med is specific to Hexa. Maracyn Plus active ingredients are: Sulfadimine and Trimethoprin. Fluke Tabs active ingredients are: Phosphonic Acid (2,2,2-TRICHLORO-1-HYDROXYETHYL)-Dimethil Ester. Fluke Tabs is name brand of broad spectrum anti-parasite product by AP (http://www.aq-products.com/APpro/fluketabs.htm. Can read more here: http://flowerhornrusforum.com/topic/8015163/1/#new. There are many medicines for same ailments. Those 2 are the ones I use and recommend because both are broad spectrum and kill most, if not all the badies. Understand they are not available at all countries and markets. Hope this clear questions and helps you get this guy better. From reading your answers appears he has both parasites and a secondary bacterial infection compromising the air bladder. |
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| Mystique | Aug 12 2008, 11:41 AM Post #11 |
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if its white poo, also try to use heater and set it to 30C. turn it on for 24 hrs. hope he recovers soon. :) |
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| nikitanain | Aug 12 2008, 12:08 PM Post #12 |
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thank u everyone...the link is very helpful i shall check what medicines are available. and get them first thing when the shops open....
Edited by nikitanain, Aug 12 2008, 12:09 PM.
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| nikitanain | Aug 13 2008, 02:24 AM Post #13 |
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heres the update : the fish pooped for the first time today, since i got him.. the poop is white and stringy.. so its a sign of hex.. but his stomach swelling is going down..... |
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| FISHMAKER | Aug 13 2008, 02:40 AM Post #14 |
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Glad to hear the fish feeling a bit better. Wish you the best of luck nikitanain and please keep us inform of it's condition. XD |
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| nikitanain | Aug 13 2008, 03:00 AM Post #15 |
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thanks FISHMAKER... i shall update the thread everyday.... |
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| Paintsn | Aug 13 2008, 03:05 AM Post #16 |
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you are the best!! i am very happy to see ones that are such as you ..that cares for every living thing.. you surely got a great heart.. even if this one does not make it.. atleast you know you did your best.. but seem like he still wants to live and is fighting for it.. that is a good sign.. keep it up... i hope and pray that things will go well |
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| nikitanain | Aug 13 2008, 03:34 AM Post #17 |
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thanks Paintsn.... i dint want him just dying in the shop, without giving him a chance..it isnt fair for the fish to pay just because the LFS guy dint care...
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| Mentat | Aug 13 2008, 04:23 AM Post #18 |
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Not allways  . Clear feces are expulsion of empty intestinal linings due to irritation caused by a disease; which could be Hexamita. Other intestinal parasites can cause same symptoms. The traditional "holes in the head" are sure indicators for Hexa, and their acronym generates the disease name "HITH." Stomach was probably full of parasites, sometimes it gets so bad you can see them coming out of anal pore  .
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| nikitanain | Aug 13 2008, 07:14 AM Post #19 |
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his stomach swelling has gone down..so i am hopeful..  he doesnt have the slightest craters in his head, and i am relieved..i dont think his body can fight another disease... P.S i havnt fed him today... and the endo parasite medicine isnt available as of now.. he said to try back in 3-4 days ..... :( Edited by nikitanain, Aug 13 2008, 07:20 AM.
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| 1986com | Aug 13 2008, 11:28 PM Post #20 |
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sound liek your fish may not make it to 3 or 4 day with out the meds look very bad for you I feel sorry for the fish your but him through all that pain I would just let him go so h ecan be at peaces so your only hurting him not helping him
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| FISHMAKER | Aug 14 2008, 12:16 AM Post #21 |
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Thats some bad news you got there nikitanain, i'll be rooting for ya. You might be right there 1986com but who knows, i believe its better to give it everything you got before giving up hope. Sure it puts the fish in a lot of pain but nobody really knows if the fish wants to die or live unless your aquaman of some sort. All in all, its down to how much effort one gives and the will power of the fish plus a lil bit of luck. >-<so come on fishy, FIGHT ON!!!! |
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| nikitanain | Aug 14 2008, 09:11 PM Post #22 |
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@1986, if the fish is still alive, who are we to put it to sleep.. are we really doing something good, or taking away a life that may survive? update: the fish has started moving around horizontally and now the stomach swelling has totally gone down..... i see a lot of change and hope for the best..... |
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| Mentat | Aug 15 2008, 07:12 AM Post #23 |
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 with your comment 1986com  . The Sis loves animals and is trying her best to save this fish. Recently I received a sick fish and spent lots of time and money in meds to save him. We went through 4 weeks of hell and twice he keeled over on his side but I would not give up on him. Parasite infection, followed by duck lips, then intestinal hernia, and another parasite infection. You name a disease... this fish had it and went 4 weeks without food too .I cured him and now he is eating and swimming very happy. Life glows out of a fish that most keepers would have given-up on and he is a great pet. Even named him "Lazarus" because he came back from the grave. It's ok if other keepers make choice to sacrifice their fish, it's their decision. What is not right is telling Sis Nikitanain, me, or anyone else who will try and heal a fish to save his life; that we are causing pain and should euthanize the fish  .
Edited by Mentat, Aug 15 2008, 07:18 AM.
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| Mentat | Aug 15 2008, 07:21 AM Post #24 |
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 Sis  ! Try and move him to bigger quarters as soon as possible  !
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| nikitanain | Aug 15 2008, 09:16 AM Post #25 |
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i will be moving him to a 60 gallon tank within 1 week for sure.... thank u everyone.. named him Kismat (Fate) |
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