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What makes a good breeder?
Topic Started: Dec 27 2006, 01:32 AM (1,341 Views)
Kokgod	Dec 27 2006, 01:32 AM Post #1
Unregistered	When the first time you own a Flowerhorn, eventually, the breeding bug will bite you whether you like it or not. It'll come to your mind how is it like to create your own strain and earn a few extra bucks. There's nothing bad about it as long you'd be responsible. Here are my few tips to be a good breeder: 1) Set a goal. Ask yourself what are the looks you want to appear on your prospective strain..big kok, intense redness, pendians, bodyshape etc. 2) Know the lineage of your would be breeders or pairs. If it throws great colors, big koks etc. This will most likely determine the outcome of your first generation. 3) Study basic genetics, read a book about it, research on the net etc. This will give you basic knowledge principles. this can answer your basic questions and you will be able to understand how this look came out like that etc. 4) Select and Cull. SOme newbie breeders will eventually turn to be FH peddlers, I mean selling FHs to anyone and anywhere, selling ugly and rejects as well. This is what happening nowadays. Some are afraid to kill the rejects of a batch because they to pity them and won't kill it when this happens, just say to yourself this is for the hobby. It always works for me. There are ways to cull, a quick one is the best not a slow death. This maybe drastic but what i do is boil a potful of water, catch the fish by a net and put it in the water, and presto! Instant cull. 5) Select the best looking fish you have and breed it, the rest you can sell for a little support for your expenses. 6) Never promise anything to a buyer especially when it comes to kok growth. If some seller promised you it will have a big kok when it matures. Turn away from that person and drive home. 7) Dont sell rejects just to earn a few bucks. Your name will be stained for the rest of your life. If a buyer insist on getting it, dont promise him anything. Beauty comes with a price. The ultimate fulfillment for a breeder is the authentic satisfaction of his clients. Hope this helps. smiliee
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Bastardfish	Dec 27 2006, 01:41 AM Post #2
Big Daddy Fish Guts Posts: 3,812 Group: Team Universal Member #28 Joined: June 9, 2006	Very good bro nicely said! bravo
	How's your fish's Kung Fu?


Paintsn	Dec 27 2006, 01:49 AM Post #3
>>>NeWbIe 4LiFe<<< Posts: 4,723 Group: Team RUS Member #2 Joined: June 2, 2006 Favorite Strain Kamfas Residence LoNg BeAcH, CaLi	true that.. justt like drinkin and making babies.. Be Responsible!! very well said.. but the part on how you cull your frys.. im sorry scary to look at.. but could be done easily.. and thus there are plenty ways to do it.. more than one way to skin a cat.. but that is up to the breeder to do their ways of culling I really think we need to come up with a commandment for all Fh rearer's to follow. If not things might more likely turn out ugly. FH Keeper's Ten Commandments
	http://flowerhornrus.com/ SAD??? is seeing that wrinkled face in the mirror of a NOBODY and knowing that life is given by Borrowed Time, And to the Truth is, Being alive and not knowing how to LIVE... Now that is sad!!! ONE DAY CLOSER TO DEATH!!! So Therefore... My Dream is My Reality and My Reality is My Dream, And If I am in MY Reality, Then I could do So as I pleases AS in My DREAM!!! Paintings In MY MIND by PAINTSN Click Banner


Au Duong Phong	Dec 27 2006, 09:03 AM Post #4
15" 3x Champions Posts: 3,426 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #70 Joined: July 30, 2006	Yes. I agree with everything. Not necessarily have to be ten commandments though. Select the best and cull the rest is my one and only commandment I've had in mind. Whatever else I play by heart. Thanks kokgod for enlightnening.
	The flowerhorn fishes are cool and beautiful, but the flowerhorn hobby is crap!


NiceFishHomie	Dec 27 2006, 05:32 PM Post #5
15" 3x Champions Posts: 1,608 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #26 Joined: June 8, 2006 Favorite Strain GM/KGM/Malau Residence Stockton 209	ah but breeding by newbie is not an instant presto kind of a deal. It is hard enough to even get a good pair. It is even harder to get them to pair up. New breeders who are in the hobby just to get a taste of it have to get a successful breeding to really understand the nature to this fh hobby. If it is that hard to breed, culling would even be harder. A newbie in breeding will always hope for a masterpiece coming from a non sung hero from the batch. They may be ugly ducklings now but lets grow them out to really make sure. They are newbie for a reason because they have not learn enough to train the eye on how to spot and cull the right frys. Nothing is a guranteed that your breeder pair is going to last until these F1 generation will grow up to be just as big and to cross breed or inline breed to reproduce more. Thus why newbie breeders are saving their frys as a back up plan just in case the worst can happen. If you can get a fh to breed at will by magic then culling is easy, piece of cake because you can always get more. A breeding project to get to a second generation F2 will take some time. A year or more perhaps but a year or more will upgrade the newbie to the next ranking status.. more fish, more problem...everything is now an upgrade from level 1 now at level 2. The eyes are sharper and the international standard of grading a fish will be the norm. Each level will get this newbie more picky than the first level. It just gets better and better with time and experiences and mistakes.



SpOtS562	Dec 27 2006, 06:30 PM Post #6
4" Juvies Posts: 451 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #27 Joined: June 8, 2006	thats right bro you hit it on the spot wow wow i know it feels cuz i am new my self and as you guys know i did get a batch from my gm its gonna take a long time before one those guys become a masterpiece if not this batch i have a couple more just for back up like you said but good point there bro it was sweet... thanks for sharing... cool bravo good luck youdaman you rock



Kokgod	Dec 27 2006, 10:36 PM Post #7
Unregistered	One more thing...be PATIENT...success won't come overnight..there's always a trial and error involve.
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SpOtS562	Dec 27 2006, 10:49 PM Post #8
4" Juvies Posts: 451 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #27 Joined: June 8, 2006	bro thats one thing that is true ! patience is the main thing if you rush it,it wouldn't turn out the way you want it, but if you relax and be patience any good thing could happen you know thanks that was a good point thanks.. youdaman



Au Duong Phong	Jan 14 2007, 01:12 AM Post #9
15" 3x Champions Posts: 3,426 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #70 Joined: July 30, 2006	!!! Stop. no.. I have to be patient. My male is smaller than my female so I have to be patient. I got a beautiful pair proven fertile. At least now I know they are fertile! woohoo Now I wait for the male to grow bigger.
	The flowerhorn fishes are cool and beautiful, but the flowerhorn hobby is crap!


Paintsn	Jan 14 2007, 01:35 AM Post #10
>>>NeWbIe 4LiFe<<< Posts: 4,723 Group: Team RUS Member #2 Joined: June 2, 2006 Favorite Strain Kamfas Residence LoNg BeAcH, CaLi	one question I got about breeding fish is, and yes its only one.. could be more if you want.. smiliee but no Is there a best age span to breed your fish for great gene passing both on male and female?? you know like us human.. too young or too old is bad for the child and or the mother thumbs up
	http://flowerhornrus.com/ SAD??? is seeing that wrinkled face in the mirror of a NOBODY and knowing that life is given by Borrowed Time, And to the Truth is, Being alive and not knowing how to LIVE... Now that is sad!!! ONE DAY CLOSER TO DEATH!!! So Therefore... My Dream is My Reality and My Reality is My Dream, And If I am in MY Reality, Then I could do So as I pleases AS in My DREAM!!! Paintings In MY MIND by PAINTSN Click Banner


NiceFishHomie	Jan 14 2007, 03:58 AM Post #11
15" 3x Champions Posts: 1,608 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #26 Joined: June 8, 2006 Favorite Strain GM/KGM/Malau Residence Stockton 209	Paintsn Jan 14 2007, 01:35 AM one question I got about breeding fish is, and yes its only one.. could be more if you want.. smiliee but no Is there a best age span to breed your fish for great gene passing both on male and female?? you know like us human.. too young or too old is bad for the child and or the mother thumbs up It is indeed true for crabs that if you catch it on full moon, the meat will be tougher to chew than if you get a batch from a not so great moon. The moon control the tides in the wild and I believe that the moon is a very powerful indicator in reproduction. I've heard of this myth or legend that all great leaders are born under the same stars...Like astrology where Orion or the big diper is situated at the exact same location... Turtle eggs determine their sex by the amount of heat the sand is giving off... Give it a try to breed under a full moon and see if you'll get a higher percentage of good looking frys coming out of it... Remember folks, grading FH is to human eyes....grading the real good gene is to fish eyes.... thus why they might be picky when they mate..



Flowerhornrus	Jan 14 2007, 05:03 AM Post #12
Administrator Posts: 5,257 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: June 2, 2006 Favorite Strain Kamfas Residence LoNg BeAcH, Ca. (USA)	very interesting.. but how do you make a fish lay egg for a male to breed on a full moon.. i think that is a very difficult task... difficult but not impossible. thanks for the tips thumbs up superstitious or not.. it may be true thinkingscratchingchin
	It takes 36 muscles to make a FROWN... But it ONLY takes ONE FISH to make a Smile!!!


castrol	Jan 14 2007, 09:21 AM Post #13
3" Frys Posts: 325 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #21 Joined: June 7, 2006	best age for male is around 1.5years old, female around 1 year old, but most females lay eggs earlier as compare to males which matures later then female. which means, some females at around 7-8 months will start laying eggs, but its better to breed her when she reaches one year old, as the genes is much more stable as to pass it on to the fries. above is my 0.002cents point of views. smiliee
	i only have one life, one time, once a life time to die...i rather get old n senile without memories better then getting old with lots of regrets about things tat i haven accomplish when i had the chance


castrol	Jan 14 2007, 09:31 AM Post #14
3" Frys Posts: 325 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #21 Joined: June 7, 2006	last but not least, do NOT GIVE THOSE CURL FRIES AS FREE GIFTS, as IT WILL RUIN YOUR REPUTATION IF U INTEND TO KEEP IT, IF WANT TO BE SUCCESS BREEDER, FROM START u SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE WHEN U BREED, KILL ALL UNWANTED FRIES, UNLESS U GOT PLACE TO KEEP, DUN GIVE IT AWAY LIKE DOOR GIFTS, EG:WHEN PPL BUY FROM U ONE NICE FISH, THEN U TREAT IT LIKE FREE GIFT N GIVE IT TO TAT BUYER on TAT CURL FRY, COS SOME IDIOTS BREEDER WILL OFTEN DO THIS AS TO MAKE U HAPPY madredmad BUT IF U BREED FOR FUN, DUN BREED, might sound kinda serious herer on this, but think properly before u breed, cant keep ALL OF them? kill them! let them go recarnation faster rather then to suffer in a cramp place n fighting with each other. ALSO DUN EVER RELEASE IT TO RIVERS OR STREAMS TO THINK THAT U ARE SAVING ITS LIFE, BY DOING THIS, U BE SAVING ONE FISH LIFE, BUT KILLING HUNDREDS OF OTHER FISHES BY DOING TAT!! WORST, YOU ARE DAMAGING THE ECO SYSTEM !!! I OUGHT TO SHOOT U FOR THIS puke
	i only have one life, one time, once a life time to die...i rather get old n senile without memories better then getting old with lots of regrets about things tat i haven accomplish when i had the chance


Thomas	Jan 14 2007, 10:46 PM Post #15
Zygotes Posts: 33 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #188 Joined: November 23, 2006	I thought any fish with a big kok would be a good breeder. duh



Paintsn	Jan 15 2007, 01:29 AM Post #16
>>>NeWbIe 4LiFe<<< Posts: 4,723 Group: Team RUS Member #2 Joined: June 2, 2006 Favorite Strain Kamfas Residence LoNg BeAcH, CaLi	Thomas Jan 14 2007, 11:46 PM I thought any fish with a big kok would be a good breeder. duh thats just a thought.. but yes percentage wise on selected breed are for huge kok.. but then again, i've seen some ugly, no head pairs made some nice water head frys.. i dont know mighta came from their fore father... i'm lost thats how genetics works sometime, they passes on smiliee but then again, i never got the level or degree of being a geneticist duh 2 madredmad
	http://flowerhornrus.com/ SAD??? is seeing that wrinkled face in the mirror of a NOBODY and knowing that life is given by Borrowed Time, And to the Truth is, Being alive and not knowing how to LIVE... Now that is sad!!! ONE DAY CLOSER TO DEATH!!! So Therefore... My Dream is My Reality and My Reality is My Dream, And If I am in MY Reality, Then I could do So as I pleases AS in My DREAM!!! Paintings In MY MIND by PAINTSN Click Banner


NiceFishHomie	Jan 15 2007, 02:39 AM Post #17
15" 3x Champions Posts: 1,608 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #26 Joined: June 8, 2006 Favorite Strain GM/KGM/Malau Residence Stockton 209	ever watch the texas chainsaw massacer? well butt ugly people mate to give more butt ugly people... well fishie can look good but mentally, the fish will be so retarded...like it starts to kiss every other fish, kiss the clay pot, kiss the plant, suck on the glass wall, tries to hump the filter...ect.ect..



Flowerhornrus	Jan 15 2007, 02:54 AM Post #18
Administrator Posts: 5,257 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: June 2, 2006 Favorite Strain Kamfas Residence LoNg BeAcH, Ca. (USA)	NiceFishHomie Jan 15 2007, 03:39 AM ever watch the texas chainsaw massacer? well butt ugly people mate to give more butt ugly people... well fishie can look good but mentally, the fish will be so retarded...like it starts to kiss every other fish, kiss the clay pot, kiss the plant, suck on the glass wall, tries to hump the filter...ect.ect.. hmmm??? thinkingscratchingchin i always thought about this, but always thought that in fish it was more of physical appearance that were more important than the whole psychological aspects and beings of an animal called fish.. i'm lost specially when breeding siblings together (inline) breeding.. but then again, i thought it was ok to do that.. thinkingscratchingchin
	It takes 36 muscles to make a FROWN... But it ONLY takes ONE FISH to make a Smile!!!


castrol	Jan 16 2007, 07:13 PM Post #19
3" Frys Posts: 325 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #21 Joined: June 7, 2006	NiceFishHomie Jan 15 2007, 02:39 AM ever watch the texas chainsaw massacer? well butt ugly people mate to give more butt ugly people... well fishie can look good but mentally, the fish will be so retarded...like it starts to kiss every other fish, kiss the clay pot, kiss the plant, suck on the glass wall, tries to hump the filter...ect.ect.. so u got pics of fishes trying to hump the filters smiliee smiliee
	i only have one life, one time, once a life time to die...i rather get old n senile without memories better then getting old with lots of regrets about things tat i haven accomplish when i had the chance


Paintsn	Jan 17 2007, 03:17 AM Post #20
>>>NeWbIe 4LiFe<<< Posts: 4,723 Group: Team RUS Member #2 Joined: June 2, 2006 Favorite Strain Kamfas Residence LoNg BeAcH, CaLi	ok.. male = 1.5 years and female= 1 year bravo man if you post fish porns.. i might get fired from work for watchin them laughin rollin
	http://flowerhornrus.com/ SAD??? is seeing that wrinkled face in the mirror of a NOBODY and knowing that life is given by Borrowed Time, And to the Truth is, Being alive and not knowing how to LIVE... Now that is sad!!! ONE DAY CLOSER TO DEATH!!! So Therefore... My Dream is My Reality and My Reality is My Dream, And If I am in MY Reality, Then I could do So as I pleases AS in My DREAM!!! Paintings In MY MIND by PAINTSN Click Banner


The Petshop Guy	May 28 2007, 09:07 PM Post #21
Zygotes Posts: 53 Group: Members Member #1,623 Joined: May 8, 2007	HEY DUDE ...NOT TO BE... mooningpantsdown tounge ......BUT(NO PUN INTENDED).. laughin rollin ......ALOT OF STUFF SAID HERE IS SO VERY,VERY TRUE...AND HELPS THE NOT SO SMART PEOPLE.. duh ..LIKE MYSELF UNDERSTAND.......................... bravo ................... its all good



Simon	May 29 2007, 02:30 PM Post #22
5" Juvies Posts: 562 Group: Global Advisors Member #349 Joined: January 15, 2007	Great thread Kokgod, my new version of Shinto Dragons has a lot of gill defects, almost 10% so I have to do some heavy culling. Instead of just killing the culls, I try to make use of their lives by giving them to my local petstore to feed their larger fish, not for sale. This way, their lives won't be wasted and a fish will get to eat a good meal. dancin



t.bone	May 30 2007, 11:04 AM Post #23
4" Juvies Posts: 404 Group: Global Moderators/ Team RUS Member #103 Joined: September 17, 2006	what makes a good breeder is the BEST GENES being LOCKED IN..... and males and females that are both fertile.
	"i wasn't down with the mainstream.....or should i say THEIR team." - Non Prophets


Flowerhornrus	May 30 2007, 09:45 PM Post #24
Administrator Posts: 5,257 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: June 2, 2006 Favorite Strain Kamfas Residence LoNg BeAcH, Ca. (USA)	t.bone May 30 2007, 12:04 PM what makes a good breeder is the BEST GENES being LOCKED IN..... and males and females that are both fertile. no man.. thats not a good breeder.. that's a good breeder fish.... smiliee laughin rollin laughin hard cheers
	It takes 36 muscles to make a FROWN... But it ONLY takes ONE FISH to make a Smile!!!


styr	Oct 7 2007, 02:11 AM Post #25
Zygotes Posts: 3 Group: Members Member #4,752 Joined: October 7, 2007	very nice information sir jojo (kokgod)...



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