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SG kamfa
Topic Started: Aug 27 2008, 11:12 PM (378 Views)
FLOWER-k	Aug 27 2008, 11:12 PM Post #1
Zygotes Posts: 70 Group: Members Member #5,303 Joined: October 28, 2007	Hey ALL!! This is my Kamfa from Last Singapore ,,GB,, Please comments & advice,, Thanks Attached to this post: IMG_3386.jpg (112.6 KB) Edited by petah, Aug 28 2008, 12:04 AM.



petah	Aug 28 2008, 12:05 AM Post #2
15" 3x Champions Posts: 4,438 Group: Global Moderators/ Team RUS Member #99 Joined: September 12, 2006	great improvement bro.. this one is looking hot man I really like that tail.. so how big is it now?
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Flowerhornrus	Aug 28 2008, 03:19 AM Post #3
Administrator Posts: 5,256 Group: Admins Member #1 Joined: June 2, 2006 Favorite Strain Kamfas Residence LoNg BeAcH, Ca. (USA)	wow!! looks great.. colors are there..love the tail and finnages.. you did a great job bro.. and you say no head..ahhaha. i see it forming already.. maybe it needs to be in my tank for the head to grow keep up the great job.. please give us updates for i want to see this one blossom
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Bigg Dogg	Aug 28 2008, 04:04 AM Post #4
FLOWERHORN'R'US Posts: 2,721 Group: Global Moderators/ Team RUS Member #22 Joined: June 7, 2006 Favorite Strain ALL of The ABOVE! Residence Long Beach, CA	Nice Improvement Bro. Flower-k..this Kamfa Is developing nicely. look at that tube..kinda big don't you think..Is it a she?
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FLOWER-k	Aug 28 2008, 07:04 AM Post #5
Zygotes Posts: 70 Group: Members Member #5,303 Joined: October 28, 2007	Thanks all ,,Hey Bro Kevin,,, It not a she,,,,the tube was pust out when U ALMOST DROP IT,,,,remenber?hehehehe,,,and it never go back in,,,kind of wear..but it cool,,



Bigg Dogg	Aug 28 2008, 07:45 AM Post #6
FLOWERHORN'R'US Posts: 2,721 Group: Global Moderators/ Team RUS Member #22 Joined: June 7, 2006 Favorite Strain ALL of The ABOVE! Residence Long Beach, CA	FLOWER-k Aug 28 2008, 07:04 AM Thanks all ,,Hey Bro Kevin,,, It not a she,,,,the tube was pust out when U ALMOST DROP IT,,,,remenber?hehehehe,,,and it never go back in,,,kind of wear..but it cool,, opps! I'm so very sorry bro. FLOWER-k..that was my bad.
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meng	Sep 5 2008, 06:53 PM Post #7
3" Frys Posts: 311 Group: Members Member #8,943 Joined: March 21, 2008	power pearls! do show photo of the side view anyway what the size now?
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FLOWER-k	Sep 27 2008, 12:46 AM Post #8
Zygotes Posts: 70 Group: Members Member #5,303 Joined: October 28, 2007	Hi All ,, New update of my SG KAMFA from 1st group buy,,,Please advice ,, Thanks Attached to this post: IMG_4070.jpg (55.94 KB) IMG_4079.jpg (56.84 KB) Edited by petah, Sep 27 2008, 01:01 AM.



petah	Sep 27 2008, 01:01 AM Post #9
15" 3x Champions Posts: 4,438 Group: Global Moderators/ Team RUS Member #99 Joined: September 12, 2006	looking good.. the head looks like its gonna get bigger pretty soon. and the color looks to be improving.
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Mentat	Sep 27 2008, 03:47 AM Post #10
Peacemaker Posts: 1,453 Group: Global Advisors Member #11 Joined: June 4, 2006	FLOWER-k Sep 27 2008, 12:46 AM Hi All ,, New update of my SG KAMFA from 1st group buy,,,Please advice ,, Thanks Good job bringing him back in health Bro FLOWER-k. Think this one not reached top potential. Some of the larger Kamfa's (how big is this piece?) take long to recover from shipment trauma, so patience and love are required. Can you check pH, nitrates, and water hardness (right before and one day after water change) and share results. If you do not have testing kits, maybe a LFS could do for you. Been working on hypothesis with my fish that could help this guy a bit.
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nikitanain	Sep 27 2008, 04:38 AM Post #11
3" Frys Posts: 347 Group: Members Member #10,977 Joined: May 6, 2008 Favorite Strain ALL of The ABOVE!	beautiful fish... very nice... what are u feeding him? i would love to know all the possible details, as i am very interested in buying a kamfa...



Bigg Dogg	Sep 27 2008, 08:19 AM Post #12
FLOWERHORN'R'US Posts: 2,721 Group: Global Moderators/ Team RUS Member #22 Joined: June 7, 2006 Favorite Strain ALL of The ABOVE! Residence Long Beach, CA	Awesome Kamfa Bro. Flower-k..very nice finnage and also can see the head starting to develop. Thanks for the update and keep that baby up.
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FLOWER-k	Sep 27 2008, 10:08 AM Post #13
Zygotes Posts: 70 Group: Members Member #5,303 Joined: October 28, 2007	Thanks All !!! Bro Mentat ,, I dont really test my water at all,, Just water changed,every 2 weeks,, add some aquarium salt,,and temp @ 80,,, Sis Nikitanain,,, I feed him Alife, GrandSumo red,, sometime dried shrimp... I wish that I got more space for him,, so he can maxed out his potential,,,Please advice!! Edited by Bigg Dogg, Sep 27 2008, 10:21 AM.



dhgh	Sep 27 2008, 11:48 AM Post #14
15" 3x Champions Posts: 1,853 Group: FHRUS CEO's Member #409 Joined: January 26, 2007	It looking great in term of color, pearl, and shape. I can see it head is popping out more. I think if you give it bigger space it will help alot in growth.
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Mentat	Sep 27 2008, 12:10 PM Post #15
Peacemaker Posts: 1,453 Group: Global Advisors Member #11 Joined: June 4, 2006	FLOWER-k Sep 27 2008, 10:08 AM Bro Mentat ,, I dont really test my water at all,, Just water changed,every 2 weeks,, add some aquarium salt,,and temp @ 80,,, That's ok, not many hobbist do. As a matter of fact; only my Kamfa's waters get tested (ph, GH, KH) and matched (those plus temp., conditioner, and add salt) before any partial changes. As a result i have no stress and no head shrinking whatsoever .
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NiceFishHomie	Sep 27 2008, 12:24 PM Post #16
15" 3x Champions Posts: 1,608 Group: FHRUS Founders Member #26 Joined: June 8, 2006 Favorite Strain GM/KGM/Malau Residence Stockton 209	If you have a fish with head potential or good gene, cheat the system a little bit by buying them PH upper bottle with the arrow going up at your local LFS. Do what the instruction says or go cheap like me, drop a cap full in there for each day because I don't have any tester at all. Kok grows and stretches out the head skin but after the water change, I neglected it to do an experiment and head shrink with wrinkles on head. It is like a deflated balloon so yeah, higher ph works but I don't know what sign should I watch for when a fish is under a rapid ph spike which we should not do. Raising anything should be done slowly for our fish.



Mentat	Sep 27 2008, 04:16 PM Post #17
Peacemaker Posts: 1,453 Group: Global Advisors Member #11 Joined: June 4, 2006	NiceFishHomie Sep 27 2008, 12:24 PM If you have a fish with head potential or good gene, cheat the system a little bit by buying them PH upper bottle with the arrow going up at your local LFS. Do what the instruction says or go cheap like me, drop a cap full in there for each day because I don't have any tester at all. Kok grows and stretches out the head skin but after the water change, I neglected it to do an experiment and head shrink with wrinkles on head. It is like a deflated balloon so yeah, higher ph works but I don't know what sign should I watch for when a fish is under a rapid ph spike which we should not do. Raising anything should be done slowly for our fish. Liquid pH adjusters are a risk even with required water testing. Using them without testing is like playing "Russian Roulette" with your fish. PH scale is not linear and a change of > 0.2 daily is to be avoided. Adding 2 TBS aragonite (crushed coral) per 5 gal. should stabilize pH at neutral for most FH. For Kamfas test pH after 2 days and then add 1/4 cup aragonite/40 gallon every couple days until desired pH is achieved (around 8.0-8.6).
	In dwelling, live close to the ground. In thinking, keep it simple. In conflict, be fair and generous. In governing, don't control. In work, do what you enjoy. In family life, be completely present. - Tao Te Ching


Drunken Fish	Sep 27 2008, 05:36 PM Post #18
Zygotes Posts: 29 Group: Members Member #12,044 Joined: September 9, 2008	Mentat Sep 27 2008, 04:16 PM NiceFishHomie Sep 27 2008, 12:24 PM If you have a fish with head potential or good gene, cheat the system a little bit by buying them PH upper bottle with the arrow going up at your local LFS. Do what the instruction says or go cheap like me, drop a cap full in there for each day because I don't have any tester at all. Kok grows and stretches out the head skin but after the water change, I neglected it to do an experiment and head shrink with wrinkles on head. It is like a deflated balloon so yeah, higher ph works but I don't know what sign should I watch for when a fish is under a rapid ph spike which we should not do. Raising anything should be done slowly for our fish. Liquid pH adjusters are a risk even with required water testing. Using them without testing is like playing "Russian Roulette" with your fish. PH scale is not linear and a change of > 0.2 daily is to be avoided. Adding 2 TBS aragonite (crushed coral) per 5 gal. should stabilize pH at neutral for most FH. For Kamfas test pH after 2 days and then add 1/4 cup aragonite/40 gallon every couple days until desired pH is achieved (around 8.0-8.6). i also agree with what brohan mentat says about chemical PH. i do not advise anyone to drop cap full of ph up/down each day without a tester. a whole cap full of ph down (depending of size of bottle and tank size of course) can drop ph more than 0.2 i recently been experimenting with my zz using liquid ph down, my father had laying around for gardening. i chose to do this because the tap water i use with the added salt and what not was about ph8.4 and i do have a digital ph tester, not the paper ones, which i do not advise using also. what i did was drop some ph down into the water filter and not directly into the tank. this way the chemicals would mix better with the water if it went through the filtrate. i took it down from 8.4 to 8 in three days period. brohan mentat do you mean desired PH 7.0-7.6?



Mentat	Sep 28 2008, 04:51 PM Post #19
Peacemaker Posts: 1,453 Group: Global Advisors Member #11 Joined: June 4, 2006	Drunken Fish Sep 27 2008, 05:36 PM Mentat Sep 27 2008, 04:16 PM ] Adding 2 TBS aragonite (crushed coral) per 5 gal. should stabilize pH at neutral for most FH. For Kamfas test pH after 2 days and then add 1/4 cup aragonite/40 gallon every couple days until desired pH is achieved (around 8.0-8.6). brohan mentat do you mean desired PH 7.0-7.6? With exeption of my Kamfas, keep my cichlids and FH in aragonite buffered water to neutral pH (7.0-7.2). Kamfas have additional buffers added to reach a high pH ranging between 8.0-8.6. I start all my Kamfas at 8.0 and slowly work it up to 8.6 based on fish skin color and contrast response. If I over do it; then I back off a decimal and mantain that pH for the fish. My AC Kamfa for example shows the best at 8.6. Think that is pH they are kept at Singapore.
	In dwelling, live close to the ground. In thinking, keep it simple. In conflict, be fair and generous. In governing, don't control. In work, do what you enjoy. In family life, be completely present. - Tao Te Ching


meng	Sep 28 2008, 05:38 PM Post #20
3" Frys Posts: 311 Group: Members Member #8,943 Joined: March 21, 2008	for me since i change to the new 6 tray flitration system didn't check the PH level only look at the fish active a not and just do weekly 20-30% water change also clean the top layer sponge or change a new if too dirty
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Drunken Fish	Sep 28 2008, 07:40 PM Post #21
Zygotes Posts: 29 Group: Members Member #12,044 Joined: September 9, 2008	Mentat Sep 28 2008, 04:51 PM Drunken Fish Sep 27 2008, 05:36 PM Mentat Sep 27 2008, 04:16 PM ] Adding 2 TBS aragonite (crushed coral) per 5 gal. should stabilize pH at neutral for most FH. For Kamfas test pH after 2 days and then add 1/4 cup aragonite/40 gallon every couple days until desired pH is achieved (around 8.0-8.6). brohan mentat do you mean desired PH 7.0-7.6? With exeption of my Kamfas, keep my cichlids and FH in aragonite buffered water to neutral pH (7.0-7.2). Kamfas have additional buffers added to reach a high pH ranging between 8.0-8.6. I start all my Kamfas at 8.0 and slowly work it up to 8.6 based on fish skin color and contrast response. If I over do it; then I back off a decimal and mantain that pH for the fish. My AC Kamfa for example shows the best at 8.6. Think that is pH they are kept at Singapore. correct me if im wrong but can't zz tolerate higher PH? another thing at what size would start boosting PH up for your kamfa. for instance during juvenile or wait till they are a little bigger? and do you notice better kok growth with ph @ 8.6 btw this is great info for anyone who wants to optimize kok/color.



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