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Need Help Urgently – Flower-Horn Blotted Stomach; Need Help Urgently – Flower-Horn Blotted Stomach
Topic Started: Jul 13 2011, 09:41 AM (6,344 Views)
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I recently observed that my flower-horn fish’s stomach has been blotted and I am not sure what to do. I am attaching photos of my fish herewith and request you to kindly let me know if you have solution to cure this decease. I am very concerned and please reply ASAP.

My flower-horn is Red Dragon and about 10 inches long and is 1.5 years old.

My tank holds about 100 gallons of water and i have put my fish into Metronidazole medication (2000mg) from past 2 days. I do not see any improvements in my fish's condition.

I have stopped feeding my fish from past 2 days.

Thanks,
Sher
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I hate to say this but your flowerhorn doesnt look good.. Is his poop white and stringy?
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From looking at pictures appears only the stomach is bloated; which is good since most forms of bloating are hard to cure, although a course of antibiotics may sometimes be effective where bacteria are to blame. Metro does work against some internal bacteria; but you should increase dosage to 2,500 mg. for the whole tank since regular dosage is 250 mg. per 10 gal.


If you note fish scales are popping out due to edema there is not much to do since it means bacteria damaged fish kidney to failure I'm sorry . You can continue the Metro treatment for up to 10 days if there is edema and hope for the best.


The better news is that it could just be constipation and you already took the first measure which is to withhold feeding and see if fish will clear up blockage. Also, could try to offer skinned thawed peas to provide some fiber to help clear intestine. Could you please describe normal fish diet and check to verify if it's just stomach; or is there edema and whole fish is swelling up? good luck
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Jul 13 2011, 11:46 AM
I hate to say this but your flowerhorn doesnt look good.. Is his poop white and stringy?
My Flower-horn's poop is not white and stringy. I am not sure if he is going for motion.
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Jul 13 2011, 11:58 AM
From looking at pictures appears only the stomach is bloated; which is good since most forms of bloating are hard to cure, although a course of antibiotics may sometimes be effective where bacteria are to blame. Metro does work against some internal bacteria; but you should increase dosage to 2,500 mg. for the whole tank since regular dosage is 250 mg. per 10 gal.


If you note fish scales are popping out due to edema there is not much to do since it means bacteria damaged fish kidney to failure I'm sorry . You can continue the Metro treatment for up to 10 days if there is edema and hope for the best.


The better news is that it could just be constipation and you already took the first measure which is to withhold feeding and see if fish will clear up blockage. Also, could try to offer skinned thawed peas to provide some fiber to help clear intestine. Could you please describe normal fish diet and check to verify if it's just stomach; or is there edema and whole fish is swelling up? good luck
Thanks for the response. I will increase the dosage today by another 1000 mg. Let’s see if it makes my fish better. Also my fish scales are not popping out and looks to be normal. Only thing is stomach has been blotted and it is not reducing. Someone asked me to feed little garlic to fish and I did that yesterday but do not see any major change in condition of fish. About edema, I feel it is just stomach as all other parts of fish looks very normal. Appreciate your help please!!! .
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That doesn't look good. Keep water condition optimal and follow the medicine treatment, reduce the temperature down a little, don't add salt. Those are the tips i learned from here to treat bloating. Good luck.
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Jul 13 2011, 08:07 PM
Thanks for the response. I will increase the dosage today by another 1000 mg. Let’s see if it makes my fish better. Also my fish scales are not popping out and looks to be normal. Only thing is stomach has been blotted and it is not reducing. Someone asked me to feed little garlic to fish and I did that yesterday but do not see any major change in condition of fish. About edema, I feel it is just stomach as all other parts of fish looks very normal. Appreciate your help please!!! .
It's good news fish has no edema since that is usually fatal. If your fish diet has consisted on mostly protein (shrimp, fish, etc.) he's probably constipated.

Garlic wont hurt the FH. It works as food flavor enhancer and also has natural anti-parasite component; but have no idea if good for constipation (if that is case). My FH eat food soaked in garlic extract but do not like it raw. If your fish eats it it won't hurt.

Keep up with medication (to help fight possible internal bacteria), continue water changes, and try to get fish to eat food with vegetable matter to provide roughage (skinned peas, cucumber, orange pieces, etc.).

Also, forgot to ask if fish has pooped since stomach swelled and how long ago did you noticed it?
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Jul 14 2011, 01:40 AM
sher
Jul 13 2011, 08:07 PM
Thanks for the response. I will increase the dosage today by another 1000 mg. Let’s see if it makes my fish better. Also my fish scales are not popping out and looks to be normal. Only thing is stomach has been blotted and it is not reducing. Someone asked me to feed little garlic to fish and I did that yesterday but do not see any major change in condition of fish. About edema, I feel it is just stomach as all other parts of fish looks very normal. Appreciate your help please!!! .
It's good news fish has no edema since that is usually fatal. If your fish diet has consisted on mostly protein (shrimp, fish, etc.) he's probably constipated.

Garlic wont hurt the FH. It works as food flavor enhancer and also has natural anti-parasite component; but have no idea if good for constipation (if that is case). My FH eat food soaked in garlic extract but do not like it raw. If your fish eats it it won't hurt.

Keep up with medication (to help fight possible internal bacteria), continue water changes, and try to get fish to eat food with vegetable matter to provide roughage (skinned peas, cucumber, orange pieces, etc.).

Also, forgot to ask if fish has pooped since stomach swelled and how long ago did you noticed it?
My fish has not pooped since long time... at least I have not noticed it but I am confident that he has not... I have not done any water change since 1 week.. if I do water change then medication will not get diluted? Also I have heater on so should I turn it off? Till not the condition of the fish is same as it was 3 days back… not even a sight change in his stomach size increase…

Also I am not feeding fish from past 3 days… he looks very active bit as he has not pooped I am scared to feed him… so please advice what I should do?
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Jul 14 2011, 05:35 AM
My fish has not pooped since long time... at least I have not noticed it but I am confident that he has not... I have not done any water change since 1 week.. if I do water change then medication will not get diluted? Also I have heater on so should I turn it off? Till not the condition of the fish is same as it was 3 days back… not even a sight change in his stomach size increase…

Also I am not feeding fish from past 3 days… he looks very active bit as he has not pooped I am scared to feed him… so please advice what I should do?
You can do up to 25% water changes daily while medicating. Metro is to be administered daily for 7-10 days at the rate of 250 mg./10 gal. In your 100 gal. that's 2,500 mg. daily; just dose right after water change.

Set temperature around 81-83F; when there is possibility of bacteria you do not want water too warm, since they will multiply faster.

Have you tried any of the vegetable high fiber foods I mentioned in previous post (skinned peas, cucumber pieces, orange pieces, etc.). What is your normal diet for this fish?
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It is not eating any food. I feed him humpy head 2 times a day.
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Jul 14 2011, 10:47 AM
It is not eating any food. I feed him humpy head 2 times a day.
Let's hope he can clear constipation soon. Once that happens would feed 1/2 his pellets of a kind with more vegetable content; like Hikari Excel. good luck
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Jul 14 2011, 01:55 PM
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Jul 14 2011, 10:47 AM
It is not eating any food. I feed him humpy head 2 times a day.
Let's hope he can clear constipation soon. Once that happens would feed 1/2 his pellets of a kind with more vegetable content; like Hikari Excel. good luck
i do not see any improvements in my fish... in fact it has lost his color completely.. Looks very weak as i did not feed him for 4 days... I felt bad... so i started feeding the fish from yesterday... now i see fish is more active but still his stomach blot has not reduced...

i am not sure will my fish survive this illness and not sure how long he will be alive but i have decided that until that i want him to live normal life... so i will continue feeding and move him out of medication tomorrow (he is on medications from past 8 days) and see what happens...

i'm REALLY lost
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Without medication your flowerhorn will not have a fighting chance... I get that u want him to live a normal life but he is ill and he needs medicines..
Epsom salt is known to help in solving constipation problems..
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Jul 16 2011, 09:30 AM
i do not see any improvements in my fish... in fact it has lost his color completely.. Looks very weak as i did not feed him for 4 days... I felt bad... so i started feeding the fish from yesterday... now i see fish is more active but still his stomach blot has not reduced...

i am not sure will my fish survive this illness and not sure how long he will be alive but i have decided that until that i want him to live normal life... so i will continue feeding and move him out of medication tomorrow (he is on medications from past 8 days) and see what happens...

i'm REALLY lost
Hello and I'm sorry for your fish and the situation you are going through. Also I'm not going to second guess you; it's your fish and you make the decisions regarding it.

I'm a bit confused because from previous post thought your FH was not eating, and that was the reason you could not feed him the peas. Thawed frozen peas, either soaked in warmed water or slightly microwaved the peas for a few seconds to soften them up and remove the shell, are the best food to cure a fish constipation.

Agree with Sis you could also use Epsom salts (found in supermarkets and drugstores for soaking). Although mostly used during Dropsy and water retention problems; Epsom salts do have a mild laxative effect in fish. Would start with a large water change (around 30%) and then add 1/8 of a teaspoon per 5 gal. (2.5 teaspoons for your 100 gal. tank). Repeat dose daily until fish poops or you reach a max concentration of 1 teaspoon per 5 gal. in a week.

Once fish poops stop the Epson salt treatment and normal water changes will remove it. Then you can start feeding pellets again; but I do recommend a more varied diet that includes vegetable matter, spirulina, and whole krill.

One more thing; have you dewormed this FH or treated for internal parasites lately? good luck


In dwelling, live close to the ground. In thinking, keep it simple. In conflict, be fair and generous. In governing, don't control. In work, do what you enjoy. In family life, be completely present. - Tao Te Ching
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